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Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Found this guy crossing the road yesterday and jumped out of the truck to snap a pic before he went into the storm drain. Can anyone ID what type of snake this is?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 01:20 PM
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I'm a snake guy and that one stumps me!
I don't know what it is but I promise you its venomous.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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The light coloration is throwing me off but I am gonna say Cottonmouth.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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I'm a snake guy and that one stumps me!
I don't know what it is but I promise you its venomous. That triangular head kept me from getting too close and it was pretty agitated when I approached to take a pic. It never tried to get away from me either.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 01:24 PM
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I agree, I've never seen one colored like that, but I would assume its a cottonmouth.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 01:26 PM
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I'm a snake guy and that one stumps me!
I don't know what it is but I promise you its venomous. That triangular head kept me from getting too close and it was pretty agitated when I approached to take a pic. It never tried to get away from me either. They are mean ba$tards! I 've had more than a few try and chase me down and never had one run from me.
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04/26/16 01:27 PM
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I agree, I've never seen one colored like that, but I would assume its a cottonmouth. Agreed...... It could be a color mutation or even a hybrid with a copper head.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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I'm a snake guy and that one stumps me!
I don't know what it is but I promise you its venomous. That triangular head kept me from getting too close and it was pretty agitated when I approached to take a pic. It never tried to get away from me either. That helps give it away.....my first thought is cottonmouth too but the color scheme, and moreover the pattern isn't quite right, though there are tons of variations,got a black and pink one one day.....but the hourglass markings were more well defined. Im anxious to see what the forum comes up with!
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 01:31 PM
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Water Moccasin or possibly a Copper Moccasin. Copperheads and Cottonmouth's can crossbreed..
They make ammo specifically for hunting for a reason!
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04/26/16 01:34 PM
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You can run but you can't hide...
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Okay...the innanet is a wonderful thing! Its a Broad Banded water snake...not venomous, as I thought. Built to mimic moccasins....and it works!!!
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Okay...the innanet is a wonderful thing! Its a Broad Banded water snake...not venomous, as I thought. Built to mimic moccasins....and it works!!! Are you sure? Man, that triangular-looking head scares the @$#% out of me!
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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I agree, I've never seen one colored like that, but I would assume its a cottonmouth. Agreed...... It could be a color mutation or even a hybrid with a copper head. Has a pattern like a copper head... This was my first thought.
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Okay...the innanet is a wonderful thing! Its a Broad Banded water snake...not venomous, as I thought. Built to mimic moccasins....and it works!!! Are you sure? Man, that triangular-looking head scares the @$#% out of me! Yep. Im sure. But if I had encountered him before I searched the net, I wouldn't touch him!
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Mean looking Mutha for sure! i killed a black diamond watersnake about a year ago that was over 5ft long and was aggresive and mean as all get out...just happened to have a metal garden rake with me and caught him good as he came from about 10 ft away to me.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 02:03 PM
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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Okay...the innanet is a wonderful thing! Its a Broad Banded water snake...not venomous, as I thought. Built to mimic moccasins....and it works!!! Are you sure? Man, that triangular-looking head scares the @$#% out of me! Yep. Im sure. But if I had encountered him before I searched the net, I wouldn't touch him! I just did a quick image search on Broad Banded water snake and I don't quite see the triangular head like the one in the pic I took. Not saying your are incorrect because I am far from an expert. Where's SnakeWrangler when we need him?
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 02:18 PM
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Agree on broad-banded water snake. We've got a bunch in the bayou behind the house. The flooding has them moving around. I usually see more red in them though, that one has some unique coloration.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 03:15 PM
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Broad Banded Water Snake.
That particular specimen has a very distinct eye band (some do, some don't).
It appears the snake (when photo'd) had stopped crawling and started to 'flatten' itself? Something they do to make themselves look larger. If so, that would account for the head looking more triangular than normal.
A true moccasin (mature) has a prominently triangular head (all of the indigenous Pit Vipers, actually), but it would also have a neck that was noticeably thinner than the head. The body (overall) would appear 'thick' for its length and it would not have the LONG tapering tail of the snake pictured.
If you were to get close to notice, a moccasin would also have a vertical/elliptical shaped pupil of the eye. A non-venomous water snake will have a round pupil.
Having said all of that, the snake pictured so closely mimics a Moccasin that it is sure to get respect from just about anyone.
Cool picture.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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All that is true and spot on, and I just remembered another thing. As a kid in the swamps of Ga. I used to hunt them. If there was any question on identity I'd pin their heads and turn their tail over. IIRC the non-venemous mimics would have two rows of scales on the underside of their tail, the moccasin would only have one.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 07:29 PM
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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04/26/16 08:09 PM
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Good to know.
Looking at that thing it scared the bejewels outta me...ugly looking sucker. But the long tapered tail does make sense, maybe that's another way to help differentiate between bad and not so bad??
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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All that is true and spot on, and I just remembered another thing. As a kid in the swamps of Ga. I used to hunt them. If there was any question on identity I'd pin their heads and turn their tail over. IIRC the non-venemous mimics would have two rows of scales on the underside of their tail, the moccasin would only have one. Correct. The scales on the underside of the tail (beginning at the Anal Vent) are divided on harmless water snakes and are one single scale on the venomous Water Moccasin/Cottonmouth. Of course to determine that means being in close proximity to the snake or is an observation made posthumously.
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Re: Snake crossing the road - can you ID?
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My Snake guy says Broad Banded watersnake. Said he flatened his head as a trick. Also said, this was a beauty!
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