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#6273413 - 04/24/16 01:50 PM Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message
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If anybody knows someone directly in Speer Bullets please forward this thread to their attention - hopefully they have the time to read and respond.

A few years ago Speer Bullets introduced the Deep Curl - http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/rifle/hunting/deepcurl.aspx

A couple of years ago after a seemingly short life cycle, Speer discontinued the Deep Curl - No link to provide because I'm not sure the company ever made an official statement, google is full of customers asking "Did Speer discontinue the Deep Curl ???"

If you've never hunted with the Deep Curl bullet you may read the below and think very little about the matter

If you've hunted with the Deep Curl I ask, I implore, I beg you to speak up on this thread with your experiences

Note: This thread is specific to hunting applications, not target shooting, no plinking, no Internet "research shooting"...

I have hunted the 6mm (80 grain) and 30 cal (165 grain) bullets on Texas feral hogs over the last few years.

There is no other AFFORDABLE bullet that scores quick and lethal kill shots like the Deep Curl - period end of story, I'd bet the literal farm on what I've witnessed and experienced.

I don't want to speculate as to why the bullet was discontinued - I'd prefer the straight dish on the topic from the company and not just who answers the phones and renders an opinion but rather somebody who is in the know.

I am not expecting anything - I am not entitled to receive a reply - but I am hopeful that enough people will echo my findings and that it will present Speer Bullets with an opportunity to share what happened but more importantly will bring it back into production!

Knowing this thread isn't going to take off like wild fire, face it we are all busy and have more important matters to handle - so I will over time share data and experiences back into the thread.

ALERT: If I were reading this and have never hunted with the bullet I would look hard on websites for bullet pulls, blems, factory seconds, whatever is left of these and I would buy them ALL. No kidding rifle No bull texas

At the time of production you could buy 100 of these for 23 - 26 dollars - there are bullets at more of a cost that will perform as good as the Deep Curl, no doubt and no argument here. There are no cheaper bullets that come close, not on Earth.

Okay lets see where this goes -

User experience:





This is a typical occurrence with the Speer Deep Curl

The bottom sow pig (100 - 200 lb pig) was taken at 50 yards, held on the front shoulder and squeezed - she moved a bit as I fired so the bullet struck her in the ear - instant death

The middle sow (100 - 200 lb pig) was taken at 190 yards, held on the front shoulder - down she went at the spot - kicking and expired within a couple of minutes - no tracking

The top boar (200 - 250 lb pig) was taken at 125 yards, he was alerted to me due to the above shot taken on the sow - he was walking away from me and presented a quartering away opportunity - held behind front shoulder - instant death

I'll dig back for photos and video of other hogs taken but I will tell you that at this point I don't bother aiming anywhere else other than the front shoulder, typically on medium to large hogs it breaks one or both shoulder and results in either instant death or no tracking which is exactly how an affordable bullet should work!

Video of the sow kill:




Edited by Pig_Popper (04/24/16 06:48 PM)
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#6274616 - 04/25/16 12:50 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
APynckel Offline
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Registered: 01/14/13
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I've used the .452 250gr Deep Curls in .45 Colt. I will agree that these bullets are insane in their expansion and lethality. I had been trying to find some more for some time, never knew they were completely discontinued. Mega bummer.

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#6275688 - 04/26/16 10:13 AM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Registered: 11/01/12
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I don't know if they've discontinued the pistol bullets, but the rifle bullets were discontinued in January 2014. OP didn't want speculation but from what I can find it appears the plated bullets may have lead to pressure issues.
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#6277839 - 04/27/16 03:29 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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I just found a source for bullet pulls - I placed an order for their remaining stock of .277 (270 Win) bullets.

At 16.00 for 100 bullets it equals the best value on the planet.

I believe they have .243 (90 grain) and .257 (120 gr) left, neither I can afford at this point being I bought 2000 of the .277

I will update this thread in the coming days with more .30 cal Deep Curl carnage.

By the way zero issues with pressure using these bullets - I use conventional load data regardless of the warning in the retail bullet boxes - that was a hindrance for many that was really a lot to do about nothing.
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#6281404 - 04/30/16 12:54 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Just because you have has zero issues, doesn't mean there aren't any issues.

What type of instrumentation do you have to actually measure the pressure?

If you have none, which I suspect, you have zero data upon which to reach your conclusion that its'"a lot to do about nothing".

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#6281439 - 04/30/16 01:32 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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I've got 10 fingers and 10 toes, that's my instrumentation.

If you load your rounds HOT then use all the gadgets you want - if you keep your loads reasonable then as i stated you've got nothing to worry about.

I suspect the majority of average Joe reloading doesn't require use of instrumentation and I maintain that results in the field speak for themselves.
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#6281821 - 04/30/16 09:07 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Sorry, but the engineers that designed, built, and pressure tested the bullets with sophisticated equipment, have better data, and more credibility.

"I still got all my fingers", and ol' Betsy ain't blowed up yet, don't instill a lot of confidence.


Edited by JJH (04/30/16 09:09 PM)

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#6281835 - 04/30/16 09:20 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Whatever - buy 'em and test 'em yourself if you want data or provide a link with a verified issue.

This is exactly why i don't speculate nor shoot via Internet research alone


Edited by Pig_Popper (04/30/16 09:21 PM)
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#6281871 - 04/30/16 09:48 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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You are speculating. And concluding that " if the gun didn't blow up, the pressure must be ok".

I have a lot of of Deep Curls...257, 270, and 30 cal. I like their accuracy and their terminal performance. And I'm not implying that they can't be used safely. I'm just saying that you should heed the manufacturer's advice and only use data developed for the DCs

Too conclude that there is no issue is foolish. A maybe dangerous.

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#6281887 - 04/30/16 10:01 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Here is a 226 lb hog that was taken at 135 yards with a shot through the front shoulder , it snapped the bone destroyed the shield and continued through and was recovered ahead of the offside shoulder.

Instant death and no tracking



The bullet weighed 99 grains when recovered shedding just over 60 grains of weight

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#6287001 - 05/04/16 03:42 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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This 150 lb sow (middle pig) was feeding about 135 yards out and took a Deep Curl in the shoulder - snapped both her shoulders - Instant Death and no tracking!



The recovered bullet was a perfect 5 petal mushroom recovered on the offside hide.



My order arrived this week on the .277 cal Deep Curls (150 grain) - now to find a respectable auto loading gun in either 270 Win or 270 WSM ......

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#6288151 - 05/05/16 10:59 AM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Pig_Popper
now to find a respectable auto loading gun in either 270 Win or 270 WSM ......




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#6288989 - 05/05/16 09:31 PM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Got a Noreen BN36 in 270 Winchester on the way
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#6291189 - 05/08/16 07:33 AM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Registered: 06/23/15
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I have some deep curls in 257, 7mm & 338. I've only killed one deer with a 115 grain factory Fusion from a 6.8 SPC and it was an instant kill without a CNS shot. Basic heart/lung dropped him as fast as a CNS. I know the DeepCurl has a dimpled heel vs a boat tail but other than that they are the same.

I've heard rumors about pressure spikes but that was from people contacting Speer for load data. Speer seemed very concerned about their bullets. I've also heard rumors Speer is working on a new bullet design. Hopefully they can figure it out.

Before the Deep Curl there was the Deep Shock that a lot of people loved but were quickly discontinued. Speer has track record of introducing and quickly discontinuing bullet lines.
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#6291240 - 05/08/16 08:46 AM Re: Attention - Please ask that Speer Bullets read this message [Re: Pig_Popper]
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I don't have any experience with the fusions but that is a recurring thought that they're the same bullet with a different design.

It'd be nice if ATk (Speer) would come here to give a bit of insight on the two bullets.

I like the flat base deep curl design as it gives me more room for powder with AR15 seating depths.
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