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Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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I'm gonna open this big o can of worms for all to opinionate. With EVERYONE buying a gun now, getting their LTC. Should there being a MANDATORY training "test" required to shoot a handgun??? Just like we have to take to drive a car???? Have I gone to far LEFT with this one? Every time, I go to the range now, I have to keep a revolving head to make sure some gun newbie is not covering me with his shiney new Glock (of course Glock because that's what someone told him to get).
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/06/16 10:55 PM
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yes there should be a test
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/06/16 11:02 PM
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I took my CHL test at an outdoor range. Several of us would shoot at once, and there were no barriers between us. The guy to my left was so bad, that he shot the bottom left corner of MY TARGET, which was 8 feet or so from his target...he passed the course and got his CHL.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/06/16 11:21 PM
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Hate to say it but not just handguns. Some people just shouldn't ever handle a gun. Just like some people shouldn't be allowed to drive.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/06/16 11:27 PM
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No, there's too much Guv in guns now.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/06/16 11:37 PM
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At least they're at the range, gotta' give 'em an "E" for effort. Lots of folks take the class with a gun borrowed from the instructor, qualify, and never see a range again. I doubt any of us were born with a 1911 in our hand. I say no. Driving is a privelege. Bearing arms is a right.
edited to add: At my range, at least, I have no problem shouting out something like "Whoa Whoa Whoa Cowboy!!! You might consider keeping that thing pointed THAT way!" Remember, on a range ANYONE can call a safety cease fire.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/06/16 11:52 PM
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I don't know if a test is the answer, but there should be some minimum required practice and proficiency if a person is going to be shooting safely. I have two SiL's. One will not shoot a pistol or rifle, though he's Ok if his wife or my grandkids shoot (and they do). The other SiL just bought himself a small Ruger 9mm, and he is really an awful shot. Really really bad. I always spend some time with all family shooters and a whiteboard, showing proper sight alignment. Most folks, young and old, pick up on it quickly. But not everyone does. That oldest SiL just isn't a born shooter. He isn't unsafe in his pistol handling, and...if he was trying to shoot you, you'd be pretty safe too.
Ah, but the oldest granddaughter...she can shoot. Better with the Python, but still good with the Beretta.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:00 AM
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The Constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed and doesn't say anything about, unless you don't pass a test.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:03 AM
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I learned more in hunters education when i was 10 than i learned in my CHL class....
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:15 AM
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The CHL class isn't a gun class, it's a law class. At the end, they just want to make sure you know which end the bullets come out of to avoid liability on their part.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:22 AM
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I'm not for requiring tests for anything (including hunters safety) but it isn't a bad idea either. After taking hunters safety, even though I had hunted for years I still learned things. Maybe just put a little more emphasis into gun safety in the CHL class as a compromise? I know they spoke alot about it in my CHL class. Made people load and point and shoot a target with a dummy gun just to make sure people at least had an idea of how to handle a weapon.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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What about this.. Should the proficiency test for LTC be more difficult?
My wife & I took our class this past Saturday.. She shot a 249 & I scored a 247.. There were a couple of folks in class that were spraying the silhouette @ 3 yds...
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:41 AM
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. There were a couple of folks in class that were spraying the silhouette @ 3 yds... Is there some exaggeration here? How can you spray a silhouette at 3 yards? I'm pretty sure I could close my eyes point and shoot and all bullets would be somewhat close together at 3 yards....
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:47 AM
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It all begins with the government telling you to take a class before you can shoot and next thing you know the government is in your bunk on the lease taking things that are yours and making them theirs.
No, we don't need a required class to shoot a handgun. We need less government regulations not more.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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Dead serious.. Instructor stopped the test & we waited while he spent a little time w/ her.. He said later that she was leaning back w/ her arms straight (locked at the elbows) & "several other technique problems, including a terrible grip"..
She was on the other end of the line from me & my wife so I could see her target but not her..
I really hate to do what I am about to do, because it will be very painful for you.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:50 AM
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. There were a couple of folks in class that were spraying the silhouette @ 3 yds... Is there some exaggeration here? How can you spray a silhouette at 3 yards? I'm pretty sure I could close my eyes point and shoot and all bullets would be somewhat close together at 3 yards.... I see LEO's do it all the time. One of our drills requires 5 shots with the off hand @ 3 yards. You best get yours in quick and then watch you 6.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 12:51 AM
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No there should be no shooting in a CHL/ LTC class, cause my wife proved to an entire class she could out shoot me Saying that jokingly, cause we all know I am a better shot. I think there should be some type of mental stability test and situation training. Not just shooting at 9 ft, 15 and 25 or whatever it was. If that makes sense. Something more real world to see if you can handle a moving target etc. I made a holster for guy one time that placed an order online for local pick up, and when he picked it up, just gave me goosebumps, he was way out there. From the way he talked and acted he shouldnt have had a chl
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 02:35 AM
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No one that knows me would ever consider me to be a bleeding heart or a liberal. That said, yes I think there should be some sort of test more than there is now. I've taken the CHL class in 2 states now - Oklahoma and Texas. In both, I had women next to me hit my target, multiple times. They tried to act innocent but it's pretty obvious when they are shooting .38's or 9's and I'm shooting 230gr .45's with no rounds outside the 9 ring.
It's been 17 or more years (1st year it was open in Oklahoma) but at least in the Oklahoma class I seem to remember everyone had to bring their own gun and ammo. Here - several rented both and some had never even owned or shot a gun before. I'm sorry but the thought of someone carrying a loaded weapon that all they've ever shot in their life is 50 rounds in a rented handgun - scares the living crap out of me....I wasn't aware of Texas Law Shield and groups like that because none of them existed when I got my first CHL 17+ years ago. Now I understand why!
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 02:43 AM
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I agree with Earl. As lenient as our current shooting proficiency requirements are now, they might as well not even have them.
I did my course a couple months ago. I practiced one day before and then took the course. I scored a perfect score, all in the 10 ring. Its way too easy when a group of 15 doesn't have anyone fail in my opinion. Especially considering that 4 women in my class had never shot before.
Just my 2 cents.
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04/07/16 02:47 AM
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The Constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed and doesn't say anything about, unless you don't pass a test.
And was written when people knew how to do things with their hands. Now days people don't know how anything works. It shows up every day with crap drivers. And they are handling that deadly weapon every day. Then we show up...after having maneuvered around more crap drivers, holding a cell phone, and missing the 12' tall fire truck with flashing lights and sirens behind them. If there is going to be a license then there should be a proficiency test. Don't want a test? Get rid of the license, and let every non-felon carry as they please.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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04/07/16 02:56 AM
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I think we should require a proficiency test to vote. A vote is far more dangerous than a pistol.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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I think we should require a proficiency test to vote. A vote is far more dangerous than a pistol. Very true.
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04/07/16 03:11 AM
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I think we should require a proficiency test to vote. A vote is far more dangerous than a pistol. That used to be a thing.
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Re: Oh Yes, I'm "going there" yes or no, what do U say?
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I've shot 250 both times, but both times there were some horribly scary people taking the test. Several people in both my classes didn't even own a handgun and some had never shot one.
The only thing that made me feel better was knowing that most of those people will either never carry, or will carry a few times until they discover it's a bit of a PITA and then stop.
Heaven help anyone nearby if one of those pistoleros opens up in a tense situation.
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No. If you say "yes" then you're opening the door for 120 hours of mandated instruction followed by 40 hours of decreed range time with State and local registered "safety" instructors at a cost of $5,000 per license that must be renewed yearly. There are some people that will never be happy with the level of someone else's expertise.
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