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#6242978 - 03/31/16 11:45 AM Dreaming of a new Venture
TxsHunter99 Offline
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Is there any breeders or stockers that would be willing to PM me and answer some questions I have. I'm going to do a lot of research online but I want to hear some info from some professionals before I even mention my crazy idea to the wife... I gotta get all my ducks in a row with that woman.. she basically needs a well thought out, facts based PowerPoint presentation. I'm more of a rambling man

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#6243033 - 03/31/16 12:36 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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#6243034 - 03/31/16 12:38 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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I know that's the truth. Her combination of good looks and intelligence is a force to be reckoned with though. Sometimes I wish she was just pretty, so I could win an argument every once in a while roflmao

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#6243296 - 03/31/16 04:37 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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WT or Exotics?
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#6243327 - 03/31/16 05:12 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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Originally Posted By: ETxsHunter
I know that's the truth. Her combination of good looks and intelligence is a force to be reckoned with though. Sometimes I wish she was just pretty, so I could win an argument every once in a while roflmao


That is why she is your "better half"
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#6243346 - 03/31/16 05:35 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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I was thinking exotics STX. My initial thought was fallow and Rams just to get my feet wet, then I started reading about Fallow deer and it seems like they are a lot easier to maintain than a lot of other breeds and have less health issues.. Now these are just articles I'm reading, that's the reason I asked y'all for help. I wanted to hear from someone who had some evidenced based information. This isn't a get rich plan, I just love hunting, love animals, and have always wanted to have some connection to the business..

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#6243439 - 03/31/16 06:57 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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First you have to think about what you want to do. Do you want to do this to try to make money or do it for fun? If you want to try to make money then it will take more of your time and more money to get started. Making money in the exotic business is not easy. What ever type of exotic you think you want to do will take a long time before it becomes profitable if it ever does. If you are doing it for fun it doesn't matter how much you loose. But if you want to make it profitable. Read up all you can on the animal. See how long it takes for that animal to bring the amount of money it takes to make it profitable. See how hard it is to get to that age. See what it costs to get them to that age. See what type of facilities it takes to work those animals. And if you do decide to do it buy the best animals you can afford to get started. Good luck on what ever you decide.
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#6243447 - 03/31/16 07:02 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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Thanks Don

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#6243459 - 03/31/16 07:14 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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Also think about who you will sell to. You have to a place to go to with your overstock. Bucks/males are an easy sell if they are out of trophy stock or are trophy class. Now the female side, what are you going to do with them? Both eat a lot. If you are selling young stockers then you are going to be turning them fast. If you are holding them to trophy class to get more money then it is going to take more feed. How many acres are you going to dedicate to raising exotics? The more acres the less feed you will have to pour out of a bag, the less acres the more you will have to dig into your wallet. Common exotics are cheap for a reason. If I were ever going to get into raising an exotic I would pick something that is not as common or a bit rarer that would bring more money for both males and females. Something that is not raised by a lot of people but there is a market for them. You will pay much more for your breeding stock to start but can recoop your money invested on fencing, feed and labor possibly sooner.
Also think about predators and where you live now. Dogs are just as bad as coyotes if you do not live in a rural area with very few neighbors. What type of habitat do you have? Brush, trees, native grass, improved pasture? Lot of exotics are grazers and do well on improved grass like coastal or klein. Water available?
Like Don posted, how will you work them or capture them? Dart gun? Capture facility? How will you deliver or pick up animals? Do you own a trailer?
Lot of expenses that add up very quickly when starting from scratch.
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#6244113 - 04/01/16 09:34 AM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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I'm working towards doing the same thing. I havee 68 acres and I'm clearing my property line 30 feet on either side with my neighbors blessing so nothing will fall on my fence. Once I get that done, my fence will have a predator wire at the bottom to keep coyotes out. I'm actually leaning towards digging a 2 foot trench and burying the wire with a foot sticking up that will overlap my 8 foot fence. I own a riding trencher, so that's actually really easy for me to do. I will use either 12 foot T posts and 15 foot pipe that I will pound into the ground so it's plenty deeper then the trench.

For animals, I'm still researching and talking to people. Everyone says fallow are the easiest, but unless you get really good stock, and let them get massive, there isn't any money in them because they are so common. Same with Axis. I have a friend with bongo, urial and markhor. Those should all bring good money when they mature. They tried just about all the other species and have now settled on focusing on this these three.

I also read in a book about the Noah Arc syndrome. I want two of everything, but after reading about that, realized that I need to focus on just a few, or even just one species if I want to be profitable at it. If I can get out of my timber ag exception and into livestock selling exotics, then I'll be happy. I have no illusions of making money at it.

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#6244643 - 04/01/16 04:16 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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Yeah that is kind of why I am leaning towards fallow right now, they are low maintenance and inexpensive.. If I am successful with raising and breeding them I could try more a rare exotic down the road. I really just want to have animals to be responsible for, take care of, and admire from a distance... Im just in the planning/ dreaming stage right now. I brought it up to my wife today and after she asked me 20 questions and I had 20 logical well thought out answers she seemed pretty open to the idea, so we shall see where it goes... I do have one question, how hard is it to get permits to own/ breed exotics? I've been searching but no luck

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#6244915 - 04/01/16 07:51 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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Many years ago I use to purchase good quality 2 to 3 year old male stockers every year from good breeders. Then I provided this stock with the best feed and care possible. Under my plan I always had 20 trophy animals each year.

I already had built a good relationship with several ranches through other ventures and they knew I was a man of my word. They purchased my trophy stock every year for about 15 years. I had fun and made some extra $$$$. Then I sold my place. ENJOY


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#6245310 - 04/02/16 08:44 AM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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I talked to a game warden and he said as long as the animals are not native to Texas, they are considered livestock. I didn't go into detail beyond that. I know that if you raise certain endangered animals that there are some rules that you have to follow. But I think they apply more towards hunting them, then raising them. For fallow deer, there are no rules that I know of other then you still need a valid hunting license if you shoot one. I don't know if that applies if you slaughter one for meet like you would a beef cow.

Have you looked into fencing yet? Are you going to do it yourself? I was just looking on Craigslist in the Tyler area to price pipe. I saw several adds for 2 7/8s drill stem pipe in 31 foot lengths for a buck a foot. Guy in Athens seems to have a lot of it too.

Hewitts near Gilmer is where everyone I've talked to locally goes to get their rolls of fence. I'm told he has the best prices. McCoys also sells it special order. They have prices on their website, but sometimes when you talk to the guy who does the ordering, you can get a better price just by asking. This website has listed 8 foot fence for $330 on their facebook page. http://fixedknothighfence.com/fixed-knot-fencing/

I'm enjoying the research and trying to learn all I can while clearing my fence line. The one thing that I'm struggling with is how to catch and hold them when I want to sell them. There are plenty of images online when I search for it, but committing to one without ever actually doing it has me hesitating on committing to any specific design. I don't want to dart them, and I don't want to drop a net on them either. Protable traps don't make any sense for my small acreage. I'll have a barn with feed that I hope they all come to daily. If not, I'm going to design a way to herd them into a funnel that leads to solid walls with a roof.

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#6245487 - 04/02/16 11:53 AM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
TxsHunter99 Offline
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EDdieWalker I looked into fencing and I think I am going to have someone do it because want to done right and professionally.. I don't have the know how ar the tools to do it and though I could read a book and figure it out, I'm not willing to gamble losing animals on maybe getting it right. I've also read in a few different articles that with Fallow, which I think I'm probably gonna go with at first, you don't need any higher than a 6 ft game fence. im sure some can jump higher but from what I read they are pretty content with staying confined as long as they have companionship and food. I don't know if I should just get 8 foot anyway incase I decide to get other species down the road, most likely will. As far as catching and holding man I don't know, when you find out a good plan let me know. I know darting is hard on them for a few different reasons but the pin they are going to be in isn't going to be huge so I won't be chasing them all day trying to dart them so overheating won't be an issue. I think just getting the tranquilizer mix and amount correct will be my make or break. Keep in touch we may be able to share some info as we work through this plan.

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#6245581 - 04/02/16 02:13 PM Re: Dreaming of a new Venture [Re: TxsHunter99]
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I think that if you price out the difference between a 6 foot fence and an 8 foot fence, it's not that big of a savings. Then you are also limiting yourself on what you can do in the future. I've learned that you can never predict what you will be doing or wanting to do a year from now, so you might as well max it out and be able to handle whatever you may want in the future. Who knows, maybe somebody will have something you really want at a fantastic price, but your fence is too low?

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