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Wolf pack kills 19 elk #6237656 03/27/16 01:48 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/25/wolf-pack-kills-19-wyoming-elk-in-one-night.html

John Lund of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department said it is not unusual for wolves to kill one or two elk a night in that part of the state but to have 19 killed in one night is rare

Online news outlet County 10 reported the wolves killed 17 elk calves and two adult cows at a feedground near the tiny town of Bondurant, the station reported.
Lund said the culprits may be a pack of nine wolves known as the Rim Pack.

Cant believe the wolves are protected and cant be touched. bang

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They are protected in wy but have hunting seasons in MT, ID, MN and WI that I know of. WY needs to open there eyes and learn form these other states

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Originally Posted By: Tru2lifetaxidermy
They are protected in wy but have hunting seasons in MT, ID, MN and WI that I know of. WY needs to open there eyes and learn form these other states


Yup. That is a lot of elk meat. It is crazy that they would kill that many just for fun.


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They are protected in wy but have hunting seasons in MT, ID, MN and WI that I know of. WY needs to open there eyes and learn form these other states


Yup. That is a lot of elk meat. It is crazy that they would kill that many just for fun.
Not up to them the way the article read to me, federally protected.


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They are protected in wy but have hunting seasons in MT, ID, MN and WI that I know of. WY needs to open there eyes and learn form these other states


Yup. That is a lot of elk meat. It is crazy that they would kill that many just for fun.
Not up to them the way the article read to me, federally protected.


It was up to them kinda sorta - Feds delisted and allowed hunting but WY insisted on an unlimited season (which the Feds said ahead of time they would not allow). So the other states got seasons and WY didn't - and lost years of wolf killing. The other states had liberal quotas which have not been met anyway.

I think now they either have a season or are getting one this year.


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They are protected in wy but have hunting seasons in MT, ID, MN and WI that I know of. WY needs to open there eyes and learn form these other states


Yup. That is a lot of elk meat. It is crazy that they would kill that many just for fun.
Not up to them the way the article read to me, federally protected.


It was up to them kinda sorta - Feds delisted and allowed hunting but WY insisted on an unlimited season (which the Feds said ahead of time they would not allow). So the other states got seasons and WY didn't - and lost years of wolf killing. The other states had liberal quotas which have not been met anyway.

I think now they either have a season or are getting one this year.


Not how I read it NP, from another article, it seems a federal judge ordered them protected again in Wyoming, as per the arguments of the litigation. The other states may have proved better wolf "comeback/restoration".

""The move came a day after a Washington, D.C., judge placed wolves back on the endangered species list, which immediately stopped all wolf hunting in Wyoming.""

http://trib.com/lifestyles/recreation/wy...6f0d2ad203.html


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Good read on the arguments and "claims", though the site may be biased IDK

http://www.defenders.org/press-release/suit-filed-against-wyoming%E2%80%99s-kill%E2%80%90at%E2%80%90will-wolf-policy


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I'm not buying the wolf kill story.


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Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
I'm not buying the wolf kill story.
up..Im with ya.Propaganda.... Esp when they said the "pack" that roams that area is around 7 wolves...I doubt that Elk would stay around after being attacked....

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Thanks Western I haven't been keeping up. up


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Thanks Western I haven't been keeping up. up
Me either NP, just read it on FOX yesterday morning and started reading about it. I actually thought they had -depredation caveats, but I guess not. From all I read yesterday, seems Wyoming's loose approach to wolf management, is what gave the lawsuit merit.


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The Wy. ranchers have been advocating an open season on wolves for many years. This article supports the reality of the misguided views of the prairie faries "Save the wolf" campaign. mad

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Believe it or not National Geographic is usually good about presenting all sides and focusing on the facts. Sad deal. The elk were grouped in an area where they were being fed.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160325-wolf-pack-kills-19-wolves-surplus-killing-wyoming/


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Good article TH up

I doubt this is the end of Elk in Wyoming, elk and wolves probably manage better as they have for thousands of years without human management. 22 elk feed stations? That's like opening the chicken house gate for the fox.


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The fed and the states.... What could go wrong??


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Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
I'm not buying the wolf kill story.

Why not? If 17 were calves it's completely possible. Wolves will kill that many sheep in a flock easily in one night.


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Why not just kill them and not say anything! ?

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Why not just kill them and not say anything! ?


You mean aside from the risk of prosecution, $10s of thousands in legal fees, possible felony conviction, loss of rights, and loss of hunting privileges? Never mind the potential impact on your family, relationships, job situation, income, and future earning potential.

Never mind the fact that far too many people are not capable to "not say anything." They will say something, take pictures, or leave other forensic evidence that will come back on them.


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The wolves are a native species and deserve to roam and kill and eat what they want. 17 elk is no big deal and if the wolves did do it then it is a part of nature. That is what they eat!!!

I would love to kill a wolf for sure but I dont care how many elk it kills. It is in the natural environment so let it be the badass top predator killing machine that it is. That is why wolves are bad [censored] and I would love to pop one some day!!


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I never let a varmint walk. Wolves wouldn't be any different if I were a Wyoming rancher.

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Bigfoot -
The flaw in your thinking is "natural environment".
We lost "natural environment" a couple hundred years ago.
As soon as we logged a forest, planted a crop, put up a fence, "managed" a forest fire, that was the end of "natural environment".
Is having elk feeding stations "natural environment"?
Millions of $$ are spent every year by elk hunters, elk enthusiasts and wildlife management agencies to grow the numbers of elk in non-natural environments.
The state would gladly use some of those $$s to also manage the wolf population if allowed. To manage one without managing the other is beyond stupid.

The biggest problem here is the federal government telling a state that they are not allowed to manage the wildlife inhabiting their own lands.

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If I was a rancher had wolf problems, I'd poison the $#!+ out of them, period.

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