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#6235226 - 03/24/16 11:02 AM Tired of the griping
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Registered: 06/06/10
Posts: 16185
Loc: West Texas
Anyone ever come close to losing a lease because the land owner got tired of the BS. I've basically had the same bunch of guys for years but I'm getting tired of the drama. Thinking seriously about locking the hunting gate permanently.

Probably should think about shutting down everything. Not sure how much longer I can operate the ranch with my health problems. Like most ranchers I've got $39.28 in the bank and several million in real estate. Cash out and take a little vacation? In fact, it was only last week that my wife suggested that I go to Brussels for a few days to relax. She would take care of the ranch! eeks333



Anyone been there? If so, what was the outcome? How did you work it out?
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#6235232 - 03/24/16 11:08 AM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 11/22/10
Posts: 19306
Loc: Corsicana
I would never lease my place for any price. This is one of the primary reasons.

P.S. I pray you have done some detailed and good estate planning.


Edited by Nogalus Prairie (03/24/16 11:10 AM)
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Originally Posted By: REALKILLER
That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6235238 - 03/24/16 11:12 AM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 04/20/11
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Loc: Wise County Texas
Not on the end you're on Aeb, but as a lessee (is that a word>), who got to know the rancher well. ( I leased my land 1 year, didn't last a season)

Rancher I knew had about 40k acres, he ended up running 12 off, yet offered my buddy and I to stay on. We let it go because we couldn't find enough good fellas. He ended up raising the price, said if he had to tolerate AH, he would get paid for his aggravation. Don't know why he offered to us, could be because we often helped him or his hands IDK

Pretty tough decision letting land go, at least it would be for me if it was of good size.

Good luck sir
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#6235239 - 03/24/16 11:12 AM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 06/15/09
Posts: 2730
Loc: Huntsville, AL
Appoint a "Lease Boss". Let them handle all the soap opera drama. Let it be known that you will only talk about leasing issues through the appointed lease boss, and he better have a darn good reason to talk to you.
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#6235244 - 03/24/16 11:15 AM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 08/12/13
Posts: 1159
Loc: Dallas, TX
that's because you don't have rules and agreements

I kicked several guys off of mine - grown a s s men with childlike mentality and full of drama

there is a direct correlation between drama queens and money

they're tight with money and will always look for ways to save a buck
or turn the total benefits toward them

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#6235276 - 03/24/16 11:39 AM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 07/26/13
Posts: 2340
Loc: New Braunfels, San Saba county
Speaking for myself I would have fewer hunters and definitely one would be in charge of the group. One individual to handle all including collecting all lease fee's. All hunters are not bad.

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#6235320 - 03/24/16 12:22 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 08/04/10
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I would not put up with it. Get them all together and lay it out plain and simple in YOUR terms. If anyone says a word other than agreeing...show them the gate. There are plenty of good lease hunters out there to have to put up with BS from the group you have now.
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#6235326 - 03/24/16 12:28 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 11/01/12
Posts: 6498
Loc: Lubbock, TX
Familiarity breeds contempt, I've seen it happen way too many times. No matter how good both sides have it, time wounds all heels. You might be better off with a new group.
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#6235343 - 03/24/16 12:43 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 09/17/10
Posts: 1765
Loc: Albany
I have a couple of good sunflower fields I lease to a guy who runs hunts. I make as much as I would if I leased for deer and he is only on my land for two months, has to leave it as clean as he finds it and has to carry the insurance.
The other 10 months it is mine with no worries. Except of course the poachers.

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#6235344 - 03/24/16 12:45 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 02/25/14
Posts: 295
Loc: DFW, Cisco
I've hunted in that area for a long time. The reason I bought the little piece of land i now have is due to all the whining that went on. on one lease I was the lease boss. I had to kick a very good friend of mine off due to his constant complaining and almost fist fighting with one other guy. I never saw the other guy do anything to warrant any of it. The last lease, I wouldn't take the job. Had 14 guys on it. It was worse than having a machine shop (but not by much), nothing but "he drove right past my feeder" (feeder just off main road), to he's parking too close to my camper. I'll never be involved in anther lease.
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#6235349 - 03/24/16 12:51 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: Bmnloader]
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Originally Posted By: Bmnloader
I had to kick a very good friend of mine off due to his constant complaining and almost fist fighting with one other guy. I never saw the other guy do anything to warrant any of it. The last lease, I wouldn't take the job. Had 14 guys on it. It was worse than having a machine shop (but not by much), nothing but "he drove right past my feeder" (feeder just off main road), to he's parking too close to my camper. I'll never be involved in anther lease.


sounds like the drama queens I had

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#6235356 - 03/24/16 01:00 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
Bmnloader Offline
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Registered: 02/25/14
Posts: 295
Loc: DFW, Cisco
Ridiculous is what it was. I can be a licensed day care worker anywhere. 50 yr old men waiting on me to get back to camp so I could take care of it. Daddy told me "if you have a problem with a man, you talk to him about, don't go crying to his momma"
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#6235358 - 03/24/16 01:01 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
Bmnloader Offline
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Registered: 02/25/14
Posts: 295
Loc: DFW, Cisco
Anyway AEB, I do feel your pain!
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#6235369 - 03/24/16 01:16 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 09/10/12
Posts: 4979
Loc: Central TX (Gtown/Austin)
I guess I have been lucky with my 50+ years of hunting. Everyone was a grown man and owned up to doing their fare share without much gripping. I can only recall a couple of times that people were kicked off of our leases and we always had very good and close relationships with the land owners as they knew we would take good care of his property, watch over his livestock, handle mending fences, pulling calves, maintaining roads and gaps ... treating it like it was our own really. My current lease if the first where there was a dedicated lease boss and that seems to work fine and everyone follows his lead. If you are tired of handling whiny and unruly hunters, force them to have a lease boss that handles all that cr@p. Likewise, they are responsible for the actions of the group, they will force the rest to walk the line one way or another.

and ... I find it be a true privilege to be one someone else's land enjoying one of my passions, so I am darn well going to treat it and the LO with respect and do what I need to do to keep them happy with a good working relationship & friendship.
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#6235387 - 03/24/16 01:35 PM Re: Tired of the griping [Re: aeb]
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Registered: 10/25/11
Posts: 1891
Loc: Texas
Sometimes customers have to be fired! I'm sure there are some awesome individuals that would love to hunt your land and not only put some change in your pocket but actually help around your place.
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