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Hancock seed- 58 bucks shipped. 50lb bag. Get all over that!!!


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??? Most co-ops and seed dealers normal prices are cheaper than that. Where is hancocks seed grown? This is probably some left overs from last year...could possibly not get as good of germination if it wasn't handled correctly.

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Not wanting to hijack the thread, but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws? According to the AgExtension you can not hunt over millet the first year of planting, rather can only hunt over volunteer crop the following.

Also if you are not planning to harvest, how is that considered a common agricultural practice. The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it?

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The key word is manipulated.

A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited areahunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removedhunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted more than one year prior to huntinghunt waterfowl or cranes over crops that have been manipulated, unless the manipulation is a normal agricultural post-harvesting manipulation in accordance with official recommendations of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.


Manipulation- The alteration of natural vegetation or agricultural crops, including but not limited to mowing, shredding, discing, rolling, chopping, trampling, flattening, burning and herbicide treatments. Manipulation does not include the distributing or scattering of grain, seed or other feed after removal from or storage on the field where grown.

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Originally Posted By: WestTxAg07
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws? According to the AgExtension you can not hunt over millet the first year of planting, rather can only hunt over volunteer crop the following.

Also if you are not planning to harvest, how is that considered a common agricultural practice. The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it?


Everything you need to know can be found in 5 minutes of reading. BTW, this was in the stick at the top of the forum, second post.

http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunting-and-baiting.html

And Greek that isn't a bad deal for delivered seed but COLLIN County Feed will order you anything you want if you give him a couple weeks lead time. I paid $35-$50 for my brown top, golden and Japanese last year. And if you send your wife over there he loads it right up for her so I still consider it "delivered" to my door.

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Originally Posted By: muddyz
Originally Posted By: WestTxAg07
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws? According to the AgExtension you can not hunt over millet the first year of planting, rather can only hunt over volunteer crop the following.

Also if you are not planning to harvest, how is that considered a common agricultural practice. The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it?


Everything you need to know can be found in 5 minutes of reading. BTW, this was in the stick at the top of the forum, second post.




http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunting-and-baiting.html

And Greek that isn't a bad deal for delivered seed but COLLIN County Feed will order you anything you want if you give him a couple weeks lead time. I paid $35-$50 for my brown top, golden and Japanese last year. And if you send your wife over there he loads it right up for her so I still consider it "delivered" to my door.



Collin Co seed on way north. Typically 65-70 bucks shipped. Convenience for me is worth it. Thank you


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but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws?
The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it? [/quote]

Actually not correct- not vague at all.

If u follow the no manipulation rule on grown crops- AND make sure no seed on ground- you are golden- 99% of waterfowl are benefitted- when u take into account actual harvest of birds vs lbs of seed produced per acre


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While you guys are on the subject ,I bought some Jap Millet and tried planting it twice and it would not come up. I tried just scattering around in the mud bank of my duck hole and it did not come up. I also tried the following yr with digging a shallow trench along the bank, putting seeds and covering them to no avail. I did all the planting in late summer before the rains like I had read about. Any help would be appreciated.

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I buy it for $40 per 50 lb bag, but I pick it up.


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While you guys are on the subject ,I bought some Jap Millet and tried planting it twice and it would not come up. I tried just scattering around in the mud bank of my duck hole and it did not come up. I also tried the following yr with digging a shallow trench along the bank, putting seeds and covering them to no avail. I did all the planting in late summer before the rains like I had read about. Any help would be appreciated.


Mine was up to about 8 inch plants. I came back a week later and it was completely gone. Nothing was left. I chalked it up to deer but was later told the more likely culprit was army worms. I couldn't believe it was ALL gone.

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treat it like a planted crop(corn, milo rice, etc) and youre good. get good volunteer growth and do whatever you want to with it...I know it doesn't make sense, but its a federal law...a lot of them don't. Don't dare pour it out of a sack, but plant something that makes 5000lbs of grain per acre and flooding it is perfectly legal. and bone, how often did you check it? did you ever see it up? if you broadcasted it in good mud, it should've at least germinated and got up a couple inches. It doesn't take long for armyworms to knock it down. had some up about 4 inches last year went on vacation for four days, came back and it was gone. went ahead and sprayed it anyway, and it did come back and make about 18" plants with decent seed heads. in sloughs or thick areas maybe not so much but in open flats cow birds or cranes in your field are good indicators, as well as doing a good walk through periodically. Historically, armyworms are worse in this part of the world in late summer. Routine checks and good spray will pay off big. It gets a little pricey sometimes, but after the work, fertilizing and seeding it only makes sense to keep the armyworms off. The liquid Sevin sold in 2.5 gallon jugs works well. some othe product that starts with a m, can't remember off the top of my head. Im sure you might could even find some carabaryl knock off product.

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Originally Posted By: The Bone
While you guys are on the subject ,I bought some Jap Millet and tried planting it twice and it would not come up. I tried just scattering around in the mud bank of my duck hole and it did not come up. I also tried the following yr with digging a shallow trench along the bank, putting seeds and covering them to no avail. I did all the planting in late summer before the rains like I had read about. Any help would be appreciated.


If mud is shiny- should come up. Must irrigate every 7-10 days if drought- if discing it in may be a problem- typically very easy to grow. Only times I have had issues is not enough moisture. Browntop does better in dryer conditions- I plant typically late July and early August- over 3-5 weeks. Typically wait for rain in forcast - usually home run if that occurs. pm me w specifics- more than happy to help

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treat it like a planted crop(corn, milo rice, etc) and youre good. get good volunteer growth and do whatever you want to with it...I know it doesn't make sense, but its a federal law...a lot of them don't. Don't dare pour it out of a sack, but plant something that makes 5000lbs of grain per acre and flooding it is perfectly legal. and bone, how often did you check it? did you ever see it up? if you broadcasted it in good mud, it should've at least germinated and got up a couple inches. It doesn't take long for armyworms to knock it down. had some up about 4 inches last year went on vacation for four days, came back and it was gone. went ahead and sprayed it anyway, and it did come back and make about 18" plants with decent seed heads. in sloughs or thick areas maybe not so much but in open flats cow birds or cranes in your field are good indicators, as well as doing a good walk through periodically. Historically, armyworms are worse in this part of the world in late summer. Routine checks and good spray will pay off big. It gets a little pricey sometimes, but after the work, fertilizing and seeding it only makes sense to keep the armyworms off. The liquid Sevin sold in 2.5 gallon jugs works well. some othe product that starts with a m, can't remember off the top of my head. Im sure you might could even find some carabaryl knock off product.


Check your regulations on chemicals. Don't think Sevin is approved near water


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WIll brown top grow like jap millet when flooded below the seed head?

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WIll brown top grow like jap millet when flooded below the seed head?


Browntop doesn't like its feet wet. Needs to head out or pretty much u have what u have. I tend to plant it on the outer pools that flood last- Irrigation or quick flash flood is typically ok if water is off within 24hrs- as long as it's not up the plant

Think jap likes wet- Browntop for dray areas or years. I test planted some real late last year just to get some grass in an area- took a good 3-4 weeks to get started- got feet wet at 3-4 inches and it was basically done

Going to try some spray release methods late in growing season- typically get barnyard grass and spragletop- need moisture for success there as well after your kill

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I am going to goo with millett then. It takes 3 weeks to fill up the pond so that is a good percentage of the time needed to seed out the jap millet.

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Don't use it directly in water. flush as needed to get millet up to 10", usually only once. In the early stages of growth is when foliage is most vulnerable to armyworms. Normally gets destroyed at less than about 6", although have had them eat mature plants as well. But, it is not advised to reuse reclaimed irrigation water that was used on any crop treated with carabaryl. and for what your are wanting to do wal, Japanese would be your best bet. normally only try to get more than a third of the plant flooded, but have had a few mishaps and flooded them up to 2/3 and 3/4 of the plant and it still did fine. very hardy plant when it comes to water. have had real good results growing dryland brown top. As long as you get enough moisture to get it up a few inches, it will go on and make seeds usually.

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I disced, broadcast and drug last year and then I just broadcast directly into standing water (2-6"). I had irrigation on my disced area and nothing on the mudflat/water. Both did awesome. I planted three different kinds, Jap, brow top and golden. All did well so I wasn't able to really figure out which ones performed better in which conditions.

I have thrown it on the mud bank in the past and came back and never saw a sprout. Could be bad germination on the seed, or the mud dried out too quick, I'm not sure but this past season it was a home run for sure.

I'm thinking about going back in this year and trying some dwarf corn in the drier areas I have where I can get a tractor and a disc. Anyone thought about that any?

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if youre in an area where you can keep coons, pigs, and deer out it is great. Not sure about dwarf corn, never planted any. But, I have planted some round up ready field corn(not sure which variety, will have to go back and look). Keeping the competition out until it is established, and proper amounts of nitrogen are pretty crucial. After it is established and if you were able to keep it pretty weedless, catch it just after a rain in the late summer and broadcast Japanese millet in it. Get it to grow and produce...you then have the best of both worlds. The ducks eat it of course, but the critters mess with it worse than anything else. Don't know if they make a round up ready dwarf, but it would be money well spent. I thought about planting dwarf, but for the cost difference and the uncertainty I just went with what grows good in the area.

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Originally Posted By: wal1809
I am going to goo with millett then. It takes 3 weeks to fill up the pond so that is a good percentage of the time needed to seed out the jap millet.


Don't plant until around August - wait for rain in forcast day or 2.later. Folks in Tx plant in June July- heads out too early for big duck season- last yr I started 8/8 and planted weekly as water drew down- little rain and ifrrigated 1x hit home run- use trash pump from wetland to irrigate- have water control but rely on Mother Nature- our wells produce nearly nada in area- not worth the $$$$

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We planted Canamaize Dwarf Corn last year and it never got over 6" tall. But we had a drain valve plug up and the area held water on top of the plants for a few days so not sure if that created the problem or not.

We are going back with a variety of things this year including regular corn but will plant it in the deeper parts of the wetlands. Area's that get 30"-36" deep.

We will plant corn and sorghum around June and if it doesn't make then we will come back in August and plant millet.

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I am going to goo with millett then. It takes 3 weeks to fill up the pond so that is a good percentage of the time needed to seed out the jap millet.


Don't plant until around August - wait for rain in forcast day or 2.later. Folks in Tx plant in June July- heads out too early for big duck season- last yr I started 8/8 and planted weekly as water drew down- little rain and ifrrigated 1x hit home run- use trash pump from wetland to irrigate- have water control but rely on Mother Nature- our wells produce nearly nada in area- not worth the $$$$



Agreed. We made this mistake last year. I was thinking we may plant ours around Labor Day weekend this year. No point to have it ready till Dec where we hunt.

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you can get away with planting it late, have even planted some in October because I had to in an area one time and it still made. cooler temps, and shorter days hinder it. But, it will still get up 18" or so and make a seed head about 1/4 of the size as a fully mature one.

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My millet last year seemed like it was headed out in 75 days and turning brown not long after that. Early on we had a great hunt over it but after all the flooding it was long gone by the time most of the ducks got here.

My wetlands has about three levels to it. I can drain the outer ring, evaporation will get rid of the second ring and the middle ring I just over seeded the mud/water last year.

I plan to open drain the outer ring in the next week or so. Then if it will dry out a bit, I can get a tractor in there to disc and have the ability to irrigate it (I use a generator, a trash pump and PVC irrigation pipe) so I was hoping I could play the dwarf corn in April. Then come back in late July, pump out the middle, go back in August and disc and plant the millet. That way I have food available at three different water levels, with the plan being to hold the water off the dwarf corn until the second split.

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the joy of "duck farming" is that no matter how well you plan things out, mother nature seems to always find a way to make you "alter" a little bit lol

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