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#6231838 - 03/21/16 06:33 PM Japanese Millet
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Hancock seed- 58 bucks shipped. 50lb bag. Get all over that!!!
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#6231845 - 03/21/16 06:39 PM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: Greekangler]
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??? Most co-ops and seed dealers normal prices are cheaper than that. Where is hancocks seed grown? This is probably some left overs from last year...could possibly not get as good of germination if it wasn't handled correctly.

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#6231902 - 03/21/16 07:27 PM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: Greekangler]
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Not wanting to hijack the thread, but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws? According to the AgExtension you can not hunt over millet the first year of planting, rather can only hunt over volunteer crop the following.

Also if you are not planning to harvest, how is that considered a common agricultural practice. The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it?

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#6232109 - 03/21/16 09:42 PM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: WestTxAg07]
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The key word is manipulated.

A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited areahunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removedhunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted more than one year prior to huntinghunt waterfowl or cranes over crops that have been manipulated, unless the manipulation is a normal agricultural post-harvesting manipulation in accordance with official recommendations of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.


Manipulation- The alteration of natural vegetation or agricultural crops, including but not limited to mowing, shredding, discing, rolling, chopping, trampling, flattening, burning and herbicide treatments. Manipulation does not include the distributing or scattering of grain, seed or other feed after removal from or storage on the field where grown.

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#6232124 - 03/21/16 09:50 PM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: WestTxAg07]
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Originally Posted By: WestTxAg07
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws? According to the AgExtension you can not hunt over millet the first year of planting, rather can only hunt over volunteer crop the following.

Also if you are not planning to harvest, how is that considered a common agricultural practice. The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it?


Everything you need to know can be found in 5 minutes of reading. BTW, this was in the stick at the top of the forum, second post.

http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunting-and-baiting.html

And Greek that isn't a bad deal for delivered seed but COLLIN County Feed will order you anything you want if you give him a couple weeks lead time. I paid $35-$50 for my brown top, golden and Japanese last year. And if you send your wife over there he loads it right up for her so I still consider it "delivered" to my door.

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#6232242 - 03/22/16 05:32 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: muddyz]
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Originally Posted By: muddyz
Originally Posted By: WestTxAg07
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws? According to the AgExtension you can not hunt over millet the first year of planting, rather can only hunt over volunteer crop the following.

Also if you are not planning to harvest, how is that considered a common agricultural practice. The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it?


Everything you need to know can be found in 5 minutes of reading. BTW, this was in the stick at the top of the forum, second post.




http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunting-and-baiting.html

And Greek that isn't a bad deal for delivered seed but COLLIN County Feed will order you anything you want if you give him a couple weeks lead time. I paid $35-$50 for my brown top, golden and Japanese last year. And if you send your wife over there he loads it right up for her so I still consider it "delivered" to my door.



Collin Co seed on way north. Typically 65-70 bucks shipped. Convenience for me is worth it. Thank you
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#6232245 - 03/22/16 05:39 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: WestTxAg07]
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but will someone please explain how people who plant millet every year are getting around the federal baiting laws?
The laws are vague at best, and I know a lot of outfitters plant millet, so how are they getting away with it? [/quote]

Actually not correct- not vague at all.

If u follow the no manipulation rule on grown crops- AND make sure no seed on ground- you are golden- 99% of waterfowl are benefitted- when u take into account actual harvest of birds vs lbs of seed produced per acre
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#6232332 - 03/22/16 07:30 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: Greekangler]
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While you guys are on the subject ,I bought some Jap Millet and tried planting it twice and it would not come up. I tried just scattering around in the mud bank of my duck hole and it did not come up. I also tried the following yr with digging a shallow trench along the bank, putting seeds and covering them to no avail. I did all the planting in late summer before the rains like I had read about. Any help would be appreciated.

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#6232369 - 03/22/16 08:01 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: Greekangler]
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I buy it for $40 per 50 lb bag, but I pick it up.
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#6232372 - 03/22/16 08:06 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: The Bone]
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Originally Posted By: The Bone
While you guys are on the subject ,I bought some Jap Millet and tried planting it twice and it would not come up. I tried just scattering around in the mud bank of my duck hole and it did not come up. I also tried the following yr with digging a shallow trench along the bank, putting seeds and covering them to no avail. I did all the planting in late summer before the rains like I had read about. Any help would be appreciated.


Mine was up to about 8 inch plants. I came back a week later and it was completely gone. Nothing was left. I chalked it up to deer but was later told the more likely culprit was army worms. I couldn't believe it was ALL gone.
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#6232493 - 03/22/16 09:38 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: Greekangler]
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treat it like a planted crop(corn, milo rice, etc) and youre good. get good volunteer growth and do whatever you want to with it...I know it doesn't make sense, but its a federal law...a lot of them don't. Don't dare pour it out of a sack, but plant something that makes 5000lbs of grain per acre and flooding it is perfectly legal. and bone, how often did you check it? did you ever see it up? if you broadcasted it in good mud, it should've at least germinated and got up a couple inches. It doesn't take long for armyworms to knock it down. had some up about 4 inches last year went on vacation for four days, came back and it was gone. went ahead and sprayed it anyway, and it did come back and make about 18" plants with decent seed heads. in sloughs or thick areas maybe not so much but in open flats cow birds or cranes in your field are good indicators, as well as doing a good walk through periodically. Historically, armyworms are worse in this part of the world in late summer. Routine checks and good spray will pay off big. It gets a little pricey sometimes, but after the work, fertilizing and seeding it only makes sense to keep the armyworms off. The liquid Sevin sold in 2.5 gallon jugs works well. some othe product that starts with a m, can't remember off the top of my head. Im sure you might could even find some carabaryl knock off product.

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#6232647 - 03/22/16 11:49 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: The Bone]
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Originally Posted By: The Bone
While you guys are on the subject ,I bought some Jap Millet and tried planting it twice and it would not come up. I tried just scattering around in the mud bank of my duck hole and it did not come up. I also tried the following yr with digging a shallow trench along the bank, putting seeds and covering them to no avail. I did all the planting in late summer before the rains like I had read about. Any help would be appreciated.


If mud is shiny- should come up. Must irrigate every 7-10 days if drought- if discing it in may be a problem- typically very easy to grow. Only times I have had issues is not enough moisture. Browntop does better in dryer conditions- I plant typically late July and early August- over 3-5 weeks. Typically wait for rain in forcast - usually home run if that occurs. pm me w specifics- more than happy to help


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#6232657 - 03/22/16 11:56 AM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: woodduckhunter]
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Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
treat it like a planted crop(corn, milo rice, etc) and youre good. get good volunteer growth and do whatever you want to with it...I know it doesn't make sense, but its a federal law...a lot of them don't. Don't dare pour it out of a sack, but plant something that makes 5000lbs of grain per acre and flooding it is perfectly legal. and bone, how often did you check it? did you ever see it up? if you broadcasted it in good mud, it should've at least germinated and got up a couple inches. It doesn't take long for armyworms to knock it down. had some up about 4 inches last year went on vacation for four days, came back and it was gone. went ahead and sprayed it anyway, and it did come back and make about 18" plants with decent seed heads. in sloughs or thick areas maybe not so much but in open flats cow birds or cranes in your field are good indicators, as well as doing a good walk through periodically. Historically, armyworms are worse in this part of the world in late summer. Routine checks and good spray will pay off big. It gets a little pricey sometimes, but after the work, fertilizing and seeding it only makes sense to keep the armyworms off. The liquid Sevin sold in 2.5 gallon jugs works well. some othe product that starts with a m, can't remember off the top of my head. Im sure you might could even find some carabaryl knock off product.


Check your regulations on chemicals. Don't think Sevin is approved near water
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#6232697 - 03/22/16 12:38 PM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: Greekangler]
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WIll brown top grow like jap millet when flooded below the seed head?
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#6232844 - 03/22/16 02:46 PM Re: Japanese Millet [Re: wal1809]
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Originally Posted By: wal1809
WIll brown top grow like jap millet when flooded below the seed head?


Browntop doesn't like its feet wet. Needs to head out or pretty much u have what u have. I tend to plant it on the outer pools that flood last- Irrigation or quick flash flood is typically ok if water is off within 24hrs- as long as it's not up the plant

Think jap likes wet- Browntop for dray areas or years. I test planted some real late last year just to get some grass in an area- took a good 3-4 weeks to get started- got feet wet at 3-4 inches and it was basically done

Going to try some spray release methods late in growing season- typically get barnyard grass and spragletop- need moisture for success there as well after your kill


Edited by Greekangler (03/22/16 02:52 PM)
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