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I dont get it #6230962 03/21/16 12:13 PM
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I pride myself in knowing my way around a scatter gun. My wife and I set out to pattern her gun in preparation of a hunt next Friday. Full choke Beretta Pintail. 2 3\4 #4 pellet. Main concentration of pellets 1 foot low and 1 foot left of the dot on target. Same thing with 2 3\4 #6 pellet. I shoot it and hammer the paper. She was not moving, had a good rest and not yanking the trigger.

Changed to modified #6 pellet and she is nailing the target every time. We are going with the 2 3\4 #6. I would rather have 20 #6 pellets in the head and neck than 1 or 2 #4 pellets.

I just don't get how I can shoot it and it be fine. She shoots it and it is off. Change the chokes and we are both in target.

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Put to other choke back in and don't tell her. Then say you want to try again before you leave to "make sure". With the confidence she has after the last "nailing it", she may do fine.


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Re: I dont get it [Re: wal1809] #6231168 03/21/16 02:33 PM
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No idea why the full is hitting a different location for her but agree I would much rather have a load of #6 shot hitting the neck and head than a few #4 shot.

A study done on energy required for breaking a turkey neck found with one lead shot pellet size and yards the shot had enough energy is
#4 60 yards
#5 50 yards
#6 40 yards

I would rather have more shot in the pattern with the smaller shot than fewer shot in the pattern.

The heavy shot changes things with shot size if you want to spend the extra $ for it and get more shot in the pattern. I know #6 heavy shot will hammer a turkey at 55 yards and #7 shot is good to at least 40 yards. Those shot usually pattern tighter than lead making for very effective turkey loads.


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Re: I dont get it [Re: wal1809] #6231279 03/21/16 03:40 PM
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Kmon1 that is some excellent information. I told her we would probably build her a Mossberg Turkey gun and she said "Really, Mossberg?" Then proceeded to tell me to sell her Beretta and buy her a Benelli. Then my buddy told her "Oh yeah, you need a Benelli". The whole time I see dollar signs flying out the window.

I won't let her shoot outside the 30 yard mark. I think the #6 will flatten a bird. I will also check into the heavy #7. It lends me to believe we can go with IC, open the pattern a little more for her and still have a very effective Turkey killer combination within 30 yards.

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In fact I will buy some heavy 7s this week and run a tester.

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Originally Posted By: Western
Put to other choke back in and don't tell her. Then say you want to try again before you leave to "make sure". With the confidence she has after the last "nailing it", she may do fine.


I am going to try this as well. I don't suspect she is yanking the trigger. I watched really closely and didn't see it. I think it has more to do with my strength holding the forestock of the weapon vs her lack of it.

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Yes sir, could be as simple as her sight picture was different the 1st few rounds.


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My turkey shotgun wears rifle type sights on the rib. It patterns so well that helps making sure the pattern goes where I want it.


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Originally Posted By: Western
Yes sir, could be as simple as her sight picture was different the 1st few rounds.


That's what I was thinking. My can't hit anything with just a bead on the shotgun. But if you put a Burris FF3 on there she is deadly. Might be worth a try

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Buy federal heavyweight 7s, much denser than hevi 7s. Same kenetic energy as lead 4. Try them without a ported choke if possible.

Re: I dont get it [Re: kmon11] #6232761 03/22/16 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
My turkey shotgun wears rifle type sights on the rib. It patterns so well that helps making sure the pattern goes where I want it.


Unfortunately all I have access to this late in the game is Gander. I will stop there on the way home and see If I can get the rifle type sights. I think that might be the ticket.

I will also see if they have the Winchester 7s.

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Shes blinking...and not realizing it ??

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1. Check to see if she is shooting with her dominant eye. That can throw her shots off.

2. Check to see if she is jerking the trigger. That can cause [font:Arial][/font]your shot to be left or right of target. Place a penny on the barrel and dry fire. Try to squeeze the trigger without the penny falling off.

3. Shooting up or down of target is often due to breath control. Breathe in, breathe out, squeeze the trigger.

2 and 3 are for shooting rifles but shooting a turkey is more of a rifle shot than a shotgun.


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get a few low brass # 8's and let her shoot see what the pattern does with the low recoil.
I really like the Winchester Long Beard shot gun shells, one hell of a dense pattern.
for a Beretta 12 gauge #6 shot- 655 choke, #5 660 ,#4 665. hope this helps. Forrest

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Leave the shotgun at home and give her a 22.

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I have never met any hunter that needed a rifle sight on a shotgun------ you point a shotgun, you dont aim it. Is everyone here from New York City>>>?? She had a good rest?? You dont need a rest for a shotgun, set it on the table, have her stand or sit beside it, pull it up and within 1-2 seconds shoot it. the rest is probably part of the problem. If she misses, she misses,,, so what,, no pressure.

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Originally Posted By: scubaarchery
1. Check to see if she is shooting with her dominant eye. That can throw her shots off.

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2. Check to see if she is jerking the trigger. That can cause [font:Arial][/font]your shot to be left or right of target. Place a penny on the barrel and dry fire. Try to squeeze the trigger without the penny falling off.

I watched and not jerking the trigger

3. Shooting up or down of target is often due to breath control. Breathe in, breathe out, squeeze the trigger.
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2 and 3 are for shooting rifles but shooting a turkey is more of a rifle shot than a shotgun.


I agree

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Originally Posted By: dune2218
I have never met any hunter that needed a rifle sight on a shotgun------ you point a shotgun, you dont aim it. Is everyone here from New York City>>>?? She had a good rest?? You dont need a rest for a shotgun, set it on the table, have her stand or sit beside it, pull it up and within 1-2 seconds shoot it. the rest is probably part of the problem. If she misses, she misses,,, so what,, no pressure.


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Originally Posted By: Drahthaar
get a few low brass # 8's and let her shoot see what the pattern does with the low recoil.
This is what we did


I really like the Winchester Long Beard shot gun shells, one hell of a dense pattern.
for a Beretta 12 gauge #6 shot- 655 choke, #5 660 ,#4 665. hope this helps. Forrest

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