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#6225774 - 03/16/16 04:15 PM Looking for Opinions on new Press
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Due to the recent increase in my pistol shooting I am looking at getting a progressive press that is set up with both a case and bullet feeder to load 9mm, 45 acp, and 38 sp/357 mag. Im stuck between the Hornady LnL AP or the Dillon XL650. What would you guys suggest?

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#6225786 - 03/16/16 04:25 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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You're going where I've never been, but if I was headed that direction I'd go Dillon. There's gotta be a reason Dillon users are so fanatical!
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#6225832 - 03/16/16 05:19 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: RiverRider]
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There's gotta be a reason Dillon users are so fanatical!


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#6225899 - 03/16/16 06:21 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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those are the top two...

big debate between which is better...

How many calibers are you loading? The 650 has a nice caliber change system but can be more expensive (depending on how you do it)

I have a lnl ap and made up for the machine in 45 acp alone

i would check out ultimate reloader and review some of his videos

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#6225914 - 03/16/16 06:30 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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I've never used a Hornady, so I can't comment on one. I really like my Dillon.
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#6225928 - 03/16/16 06:42 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
Cleric Offline
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if you go dillion check out sniper hide...there is someone doing a GB on Dillon and you can save a few bucks

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#6225932 - 03/16/16 06:46 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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Im going to be loading for 4 pistol calibers to start, I may add in 223 and 300 Blackout down the road. So ideally I want to be able to switch between them fairly easily.

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#6225935 - 03/16/16 06:47 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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Love my Dillon. It's a RL550B and I can make some fine 45ACP and 9mm cartridges plenty fast. With the powders I use for them I do not feel I need a secondary powder drop. I check about every tenth one after I have it dialed in. With the quick change tool head I have the complete setup including powder drop for each.
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#6226355 - 03/17/16 06:47 AM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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Dillon for their no bs warranty
The Hornady is written by a lawyer.
Dillon has better resale look at eBay

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#6226489 - 03/17/16 08:52 AM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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When you want to add a bullet feeder, you will need more than 5 stations. I won't run a press without a powder check die, so that's a requirement. Add a bullet feeder with a powder check die, and you will need a Dillon 1050. If you don't run a bullet feeder (really not needed, but is nice) you can get by with a 5 station, like the 650 or Hornady LNL. The Hornady press will change calibers much faster than a Dillon 650 will. That's a huge plus. The Dillon 650 that I used to run messed up a lot of primers. Once the primer leaves the cradle just before seating on a 650, the primer is unsupported. The brief unsupported time allows the primer to move around, and sometimes seats incorrectly. It would drive me nuts! I have played with a LNL, and it is a nice press. The 650 is good, but the LNL has more functionality. I'd lean to the LNL.
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#6226491 - 03/17/16 08:54 AM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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Let's back up a bit, what type shooting are you reloading for? For fun you can't beat the Dillon, if for match it will be fine but you may need to control your powder drop more precisely. With the Dillon (or Hornady) you can do all the functions but I like to weigh each for competition rounds.
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#6226622 - 03/17/16 10:15 AM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
When you want to add a bullet feeder, you will need more than 5 stations. I won't run a press without a powder check die, so that's a requirement. Add a bullet feeder with a powder check die, and you will need a Dillon 1050. If you don't run a bullet feeder (really not needed, but is nice) you can get by with a 5 station, like the 650 or Hornady LNL. The Hornady press will change calibers much faster than a Dillon 650 will. That's a huge plus. The Dillon 650 that I used to run messed up a lot of primers. Once the primer leaves the cradle just before seating on a 650, the primer is unsupported. The brief unsupported time allows the primer to move around, and sometimes seats incorrectly. It would drive me nuts! I have played with a LNL, and it is a nice press. The 650 is good, but the LNL has more functionality. I'd lean to the LNL.



With a 5 stager you could...
Stage 1 deprime
Stage 2 powder/ptx expander
Stage 3 powder check
Stage 4 bullet feeder
Stage 5 seat/crimp

I don't use a bullet feeder because I have easily loaded 400ish an hour and that's enough for me

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#6227503 - 03/17/16 09:23 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
dnite Offline
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Registered: 06/06/11
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If you want to load pistol look at the Dille square deal. I have a 650 and the square deal and use the sd the most.

I understand about proprietary dies but figure the cost.

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#6227658 - 03/17/16 11:31 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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It is hard to recommend one over the other. They both have strong points and weak points.

I've owned and used both the Hornady LNL, a Dillon 1050, and now a 550.

The LNL case feeder was fussy about placing the shells into position and they tipped over with some frequency, which was irritating and the reason I ultimatley sold it. The retaining spring tends to develop kinks, so buy a couple of extras as they are a wear item. The LNL powder measure is dramatically better... hugely better...than the Dillon system. The Hornady threw very consistent loads. The LNL took more time to set up initially and adjust, where the Dillons ran pretty well right from the beginning with not too much adjustment required.

The Dillon powder bar system is a poor design. Everything else about the Dillon I find preferable, but the powder system is a major negative for me. If someone could figure out how to mount a Hornady or Redding powder thrower on a Dillon press, that would be the setup to have. If you go with Dillon, either check every load or as Chad mentioned, use a lockout die and even that still lets inconsistent throw weights through. Throw weights with the LNL were +/- 0.1 to 0.2 max with charges of 5.4 of Titegroup. The Dillon throws between 4.5 - 6.0, and a few down even to around 3.5 total weight, which is a big range, and opens the door for squibs and overcharges. I finally found some ball powder to try in the Dillon. Hopefully it will meter better.

If you also want to load rifle ammo, the 550 seems to be more user friendly for rifle, at least to me. The 550 does not automatically advance, so the taller cases don't wobble as much when advanced by hand. It is only a four station press, so think about whether that will work for you. Attention is really required with all of these to avoid a double charge or a squib with pistol ammo.

I sold the LNL, but would own another without any reservations; same for the Dillon products. Both companies provide excellent customer service, which you will need at some point with either. I still have a Dillon on the bench, so I guess the balance tips in that direction a bit at the end of the day.




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#6228838 - 03/18/16 08:58 PM Re: Looking for Opinions on new Press [Re: cmorsch]
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Here is the u-tube Chanel that convinced me to buy my Dillon 550b

His old was bill morgan reloading, i read the hornady boards and he was their Guru.

His videos will make the lock n load run well and he explained how to fix their problems.

The facts about dillon

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