So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?

Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.

So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?

Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.

No... not true. A shotgun, at across the house distance, still has to be aimed. At 10 yards, mine does not spread 00 buck out much larger than a softball size pattern.

My 00 buck is going to go through walls... more walls than many 5.56 rounds that are designed for defense and use in urban areas.

It is true if one has their shotgun loaded with 7 1/2 such as I do. Point and shoot, not near the wall penetration. With a carbine you pick this bullet or that bullet, it's still a bullet.

And don't try to tell me 7 1/2 won't work. I've seen what it can do, first hand.

It is true if one has their shotgun loaded with 7 1/2 such as I do. Point and shoot, not near the wall penetration. With a carbine you pick this bullet or that bullet, it's still a bullet.

And don't try to tell me 7 1/2 won't work. I've seen what it can do, first hand.

Anything worth shooting someone with is going to go through walls. I'll take a semi auto handgun any day over a shotgun. More ammo, easier to use, and much, much faster to reload. I can load 8 rounds in a shotgun in about 6 seconds. I can empty a 20 round mag, reload, empty another 20 rounder and reload again in the same amount of time with a pistol. Shotguns have their place, but they really aren't any easier to use than a pistol.

I've got to disagree with this too. A firearm that is shouldered is going to be easier to get hits with than one that is not. More points of contact with the body and is much more stable.

Not to mention, with two shells of 00 buck, I have more projectiles than most pistols will hold.

And you have just about as good a chance of missing with those two rounds as a pistol or rifle. Each of those pellets carries less energy than a .32acp. And after you've missed twice, or short stroked your shotgun, you're down to 6 rounds in the gun, if you have a long barrel or tube. And follow-up shots will be MUCH slower with your pump gun.

But who needs a follow up with a shotgun? Everybody knows you can't miss.

No, you don't have "just about as good a chance of missing"... most people can shoot a shouldered weapon and get hits on a target easier than they can put hits on targets with a pistol. This is a proven fact. Again, a shouldered weapon has more points of contact with the body, so it is more stable. Also has a longer sight radius. Notice above I said that a shotgun has to be aimed at the distances we are talking. I can take a group of Boy Scouts out and get them on target much easier with a rifle or shotgun than the pistol.

Those pellets are moving fast enough to penetrate and hit vitals... that's really all that matters. Much bigger wound than a single projectile.

I don't believe that a shotgun is "MUCH slower" on a follow up shot either. It may be a little slower depending on the guy behind it. Also, you are aware that they make semi auto shotguns these days too, right?

Again, the shotgun is not perfect... a handgun has some pros in it's favor. It is definitely easier to move about the house with the handgun, if you have to do that. Easier to keep a handgun on you at all times as well. But I am a firm believer in using the handgun to get to a long gun.

So a pistol is better than a shotgun in the ease of use/hit what you are shooting at category now?

Hmmmm....

So a pistol is better than a shotgun in the ease of use/hit what you are shooting at category now?

Hmmmm....