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Brand & Type of bullet #6224238 03/15/16 05:06 PM
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The wife & I have an elk hunt in Montana for the coming season. We plan on taking 2 rifles each, 7-08 & 30-06. The 7-08's will be loaded with Barnes 140 TSX and the 06's will be loaded Nosler 150 Ballistic Tips. I have heard that the Noslers will not penetrate deep enough for elk hunting. I would sure like information from any that have actually elk hunted with the Ballistic Tip. What was your results? We will be shooting my reloads and shots will be less than 200 yds per the outfitter. Thanks Daniel





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I personally prefer the Nosler Ballistic Tip. I hunt with a .270 and shoot a Federal Premium 130 Nosler Ballistic Tip and I've never had a white tall buck run. They fall where I shoot them. The Barnes 140 TSX I think is a good bullet also. If you looking for something that will hold together better look at an Accu-bond. I think what you have picked will do very well.


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I haven't elk hunted with it because I prefer a little tougher bullet for elk like the TSX, Partition, or Accubond. They are big,tough critters.


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I think the BT would work as long as you stay off of shoulder blades. I've seen those turn TSX's at inside 100 yard range.
I've had my best luck with the Partitions but that's only a sample of two. Others I've taken with AB's and one with a Sierra GK 180 gr.


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Nosler partition, the greatest hunting bullet ever made. They are still the standard by which all other hunting bullets are judged.

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I don't think you are going to find a whole lot of people with actual elk hunting experience using BT's. In Nosler's FAQ section of their website, when asked to distinguish BT's from Accubonds, they essentially say that BT's are designed for medium game while Accubonds provide for deeper penetration on larger game. I have killed elk with Trophy Bonded Bear Claws and Nosler Partitions. Like others have said, I would go with a bullet designed for deeper penetration on larger game.

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I would recommend my classic... a nosler partition.

That said have a friend who shot an elk in Colorado with a 270 win and 130 grain ballistic tips. Show was inside 100 yards and he shot it 3 times. Did it take 3? I don't know but that's how many he shot it before it fell down and stayed down.


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IMO you are on the light side with 150 gr BT for elk. You want a bullet that will punch all the way through the chest, 180 gr accubond is a favorite of mine. My 06 elk load from the 80s was 200 gr speer hot core over 4831. Depending on where you are in Montana you might find a Grizzly looking for trouble and then you are really under weight with a 150 BT. All my opinions this fall will be taking a 7mm RUM with 175 Swift AF.

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I and a friend hunted with 06 ballistic tips but never went under 165 grain even for deer. I would use partition for elk myself though the ballistic tip in 180 grain might be ok. Good luck on your hunt.

Only thing experience related he shot a 200 plus pound deer at around 200 yards through the shoulder tips and spine with the 165 grain and his bullet may still be going. Pretty good bullet.

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I would switch to the partition for the 30.06. I think 150 would be fine with that bullet.

I would step up to more than 140 with the 7mm08. And use the same bullet.


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I shoot a Rem .280. Well to be correct, I shoot a Rem 7MM Express. I have taken several nice bull elk and maybe a dozen cows all with the Nosler 140 gr. BT. It will work but like with any bullet, shot placement is important! I plan on using them again this year.

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The Barnes TSX and the earlier X bullet have always performed exceptionally well for me in .300 Wby magnum and .300 H&H on elk, mule deer, whitetail and several exotics. I had a bad experience with the 140 gr. Nosler BT in my .270 Wby mag. Model 70 Winchester. Three bullets blew up on impact on a ram in northern Colorado. To be fare, these were my very hot hand loads. I did however kill that ram, after some frustration.

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I have killed three elk with Nosler 165 and 180 gr Accubonds. Partitions, another good choice, were loaded in my backup rifle, but not needed. I would not use a BT.

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I have used the Nosler ballistic tips for a while in my 7mmo8 at 140 grain, I don't always get good penetration with them but still like them. I have used the Accubond in mt 300 winmag and they always have good penetration with it.


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I would not use BT ammo on an animal that size, I've seen them blow up on a whitetail shoulder,Of the 8 elk I have shot,not one has ever gone down with one shot and I have always used barnes or trophy bonded..Remember-keep shooting till he is down.

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I think in the grand scheme of things, the bullet type, or brand is secondary. First you need to find the bullet that is most accurate in your rifle. I got caught up in the bullet game a long time ago and found that none of my experiences matched what I was reading. I came to the conclusion that it's all about selling products and it doesn't matter how poorly the bullet performs, if the company is buying add space, the author is going to love the bullet. Same thing with crappy rifles and optics!!!

On my first safari, I hunted plains game in Namibia. I had shot a caribou and an elk with my .338 and liked how it knocked them down. For Africa, I wanted to make sure nothing got away, so I went with that rifle. After booking the trip, I read about how good the barns X bullets where. I read so many positive articles about it that I fell for it and started working on loads to get the best accuracy out of them. I probably spent more time cleaning my barrel then anything else, but eventually I came up with a load that was better then the others. Not great. A friend who competes said it was my fault and that I was flinching, so I had a muzzle brake installed. That didn't help with accuracy at all, it just made the rifle even louder. I was never able to get to one inch groups with those bullets, but fortunately all my shots in Namibia where under 100 yards.

I shot ten animals and recovered the bullets in quite a few of them, In every case, the bullet barely opened up. It never fell apart and I'm sure the weight was still all there, but the wound channel wasn't good at all.

Since then, I have gone to Federal Premium ammo and completely abandoned reloading. With practice, my groups are right at an inch, or a hair over. The elk I have shot with that ammo have all gone down in their tracks, and the bullets I've found have all had the perfect, classic mushroom look to them.


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Love Federal ammo. For deer I started using the classic blue box and with the one bullet I recovered had a perfect mushroom after penetrating the chest of a large bodied deer and breaking the femur after exiting where it lodged. The deer was more oblique to me then I realized when Ishothim.

I tried to get the X bullets to group for a Colorado mule deer hunt and could not either.

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I think in the grand scheme of things, the bullet type, or brand is secondary. First you need to find the bullet that is most accurate in your rifle. I got caught up in the bullet game a long time ago and found that none of my experiences matched what I was reading. I came to the conclusion that it's all about selling products and it doesn't matter how poorly the bullet performs, if the company is buying add space, the author is going to love the bullet. Same thing with crappy rifles and optics!!!

On my first safari, I hunted plains game in Namibia. I had shot a caribou and an elk with my .338 and liked how it knocked them down. For Africa, I wanted to make sure nothing got away, so I went with that rifle. After booking the trip, I read about how good the barns X bullets where. I read so many positive articles about it that I fell for it and started working on loads to get the best accuracy out of them. I probably spent more time cleaning my barrel then anything else, but eventually I came up with a load that was better then the others. Not great. A friend who competes said it was my fault and that I was flinching, so I had a muzzle brake installed. That didn't help with accuracy at all, it just made the rifle even louder. I was never able to get to one inch groups with those bullets, but fortunately all my shots in Namibia where under 100 yards.

I shot ten animals and recovered the bullets in quite a few of them, In every case, the bullet barely opened up. It never fell apart and I'm sure the weight was still all there, but the wound channel wasn't good at all.

Since then, I have gone to Federal Premium ammo and completely abandoned reloading. With practice, my groups are right at an inch, or a hair over. The elk I have shot with that ammo have all gone down in their tracks, and the bullets I've found have all had the perfect, classic mushroom look to them.



Lots of tail wagging the dog going on there. I would not use a bullet that was not accurate in my rifle. There are too many other options within the same class of bullet (varmint, SP, cup and core, bonded, monometal, solid) to hunt with a bullet that is not accurate in a given rifle.

I have never experienced TSXs not expanding as designed - as long as they are used within their velocity parameters (which are broad as heck). I have read anectdotal experiences like yours - very, very few though in comparison to the overwhelming number of positive testimonials from those who test, use, and observe their use (African PHs and NA big game guides).

"Federal Premium" does not denote a particular bullet or even class of bullet. FP ammo encompasses all types of bullets.

I don't care about ads either - but some things work well and some things don't. And all of them advertise.


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The reason for the Barnes 140 TSX's in the 7-08s is the accuracy even with my reloading. The wife's Ruger & my Rem. both shoot 3/4 inch groups consistently. I do not plan on going with heavier bullets in her gun because of recoil. She is quite good at putting the bullet where it needs to be, better than a lot of men I have seen shoot. The 06's loads are still being worked on and I may try a different bullet but not heavier than a 150. Some folks think BIG bullets kill I think bullet placement kills better and with less than 200 yd shots, bullet placement should not be a problem. After a talk with the outfitter, he felt that both bullets would be good choices. Thanks for all the inputs. Daniel





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You won't have any problems whacking elk with that 7-08 and 140gr TSX. Great stuff.

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Daniel have you ever tried the Sierra GameKing bullets? We've had great luck with them in medium to large game

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I wouldn't recommend a Ballistic Tip for elk. Partition will serve you well.


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I shoot Ballistic Tips in most all of my rifles, and have done so for many years, but I wouldn't use one on Elk. With the 06 I'd use the Accubond or Partition. And I'd ramp up to 165 grains.


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My wife killed a huge cow elk several years ago using her 7-08 with 140 gr partition at about 100 yards. Went less than 30 yards. The recovered bullet was lodged against the far side shoulder.

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Every Elk I've killed was with a 180 grain Nosler BT out of a 300 Win Mag. They never took a step. All one shot kills, from 90 yards out to 405 yards.

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