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#6223681 - 03/14/16 09:01 PM Shotguns for home defense
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#6224027 - 03/15/16 08:57 AM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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More than a few of the home-breakers wear body armor these days, so:

Aim for the chin.

I have my shotgun loaded with an alternating #4 buckshot, slug mix with a #4 buckshot round going first.

Everyone has their own idea about this. - I prefer #4 buck and slugs, in 12ga..

Eight rounds in the tube, four more in the side-saddle. In all likelihood though, the first round is going to do the job.

If there's a second homebreaker hiding behind something though - a slug will take care of that.


Edited by charlesb (03/15/16 08:59 AM)
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#6224112 - 03/15/16 10:10 AM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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Hmmm I haven't heard or seen many homebreakers wearing body armour lately

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#6224129 - 03/15/16 10:18 AM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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Obviously you don't live in West Texas.

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#6224185 - 03/15/16 11:09 AM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?

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#6224298 - 03/15/16 01:28 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: HicksHunter]
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Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.
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#6224324 - 03/15/16 01:56 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.


Well Said.

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#6224369 - 03/15/16 02:37 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: HicksHunter]
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Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Please elaborate on "a carbine is clearly superior"... Growing up hunting squirrel and wing shooting, I guarantee I have put more rounds through a shotgun than I have a carbine. Familiarity is key with any firearm for defensive purposes.

Also, while this has changed recently with the low cost AR-15s, a shotgun is less expensive than a carbine.

I'll also take 9, .30 caliber pellets vs. one .223 pill for a single trigger pull to stop an intruder.

But there are some advantages to an AR as well... low recoil, high mag capacity... Comes down to what you are most comfortable with. It is the Indian, not the arrow.

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#6224371 - 03/15/16 02:40 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.


No... not true. A shotgun, at across the house distance, still has to be aimed. At 10 yards, mine does not spread 00 buck out much larger than a softball size pattern.

My 00 buck is going to go through walls... more walls than many 5.56 rounds that are designed for defense and use in urban areas.

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#6224395 - 03/15/16 03:13 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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There's not a single correct answer for everyone/everyplace in all situations. Listen, read, practice and make your own calls and learn to live with them. I use a carbine and a handgun in my home defense use. My wife is happier with a handgun. We're both pretty satisfied with our choices.

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#6224419 - 03/15/16 03:43 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: cyphertext]
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Originally Posted By: cyphertext
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.


No... not true. A shotgun, at across the house distance, still has to be aimed. At 10 yards, mine does not spread 00 buck out much larger than a softball size pattern.

My 00 buck is going to go through walls... more walls than many 5.56 rounds that are designed for defense and use in urban areas.


It is true if one has their shotgun loaded with 7 1/2 such as I do. Point and shoot, not near the wall penetration. With a carbine you pick this bullet or that bullet, it's still a bullet.

And don't try to tell me 7 1/2 won't work. I've seen what it can do, first hand. wink
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#6224434 - 03/15/16 03:57 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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After having an intruder at the shop I thought I might have to shoot with my .45, I immediately went and got a HD shotgun.
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That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6224462 - 03/15/16 04:22 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: cyphertext
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.


No... not true. A shotgun, at across the house distance, still has to be aimed. At 10 yards, mine does not spread 00 buck out much larger than a softball size pattern.

My 00 buck is going to go through walls... more walls than many 5.56 rounds that are designed for defense and use in urban areas.


It is true if one has their shotgun loaded with 7 1/2 such as I do. Point and shoot, not near the wall penetration. With a carbine you pick this bullet or that bullet, it's still a bullet.

And don't try to tell me 7 1/2 won't work. I've seen what it can do, first hand. wink


Sure, but it regularly underpenetrates. Why would you pick something that has a lesser change of stopping an attacker? And if you're shooting down a hallway, expect even worse results.

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#6224475 - 03/15/16 04:32 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: mikei]
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I don't think there is anything more deadly that a shotgun at in house distances.00 buck would be my choice. But if you have little ones running around there is really no good way to secure it and still have it available if there was a need for it. same goes for a carbine.


Edited by Nitro27 (03/15/16 04:35 PM)

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#6224478 - 03/15/16 04:36 PM Re: Shotguns for home defense [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: cyphertext
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: HicksHunter
So why are people still advocating a shotgun for home defense, when a carbine is clearly superior?


Carbine has to be aimed, shotgun has to be pointed. Carbine creates a cross section of .223 inches, shotgun creates a cross section of 12 inches.

Carbine round goes through lots of walls, shotgun goes through less walls, or no walls. Kids are on the other side of walls, neighbors are on the other sides of walls.


No... not true. A shotgun, at across the house distance, still has to be aimed. At 10 yards, mine does not spread 00 buck out much larger than a softball size pattern.

My 00 buck is going to go through walls... more walls than many 5.56 rounds that are designed for defense and use in urban areas.


It is true if one has their shotgun loaded with 7 1/2 such as I do. Point and shoot, not near the wall penetration. With a carbine you pick this bullet or that bullet, it's still a bullet.

And don't try to tell me 7 1/2 won't work. I've seen what it can do, first hand. wink


Ever shot a dove with that 7 1/2 and when you went over to pick it up, you find that it isn't dead? If it isn't guaranteed to stop a dove, I'm not using it for home defense.

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