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300 Blackout
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03/10/16 04:34 PM
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TxsHunter99
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Just got off the phone with Smith and Wesson and told me I could change out my upper with the 300 blackout upper. I have a Smith and Wesson M&P15 Sport. Does anyone have personal experience with this modification? Do I need to switch out my bolt as well?
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Re: 300 Blackout
[Re: TxsHunter99]
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03/10/16 04:36 PM
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Swap the upper; that's it. Same Bolt/BCG will work. 300blk brass is made from .223; same bolt face.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 04:48 PM
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You're the man Mike that's all I needed to hear
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 05:26 PM
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Yep. That's the beauty of the .300.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 05:39 PM
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Swap the upper; that's it. Same Bolt/BCG will work. 300blk brass is made from .223; same bolt face. Same magazines too!
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 06:10 PM
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Only difference between a 5.56 AR and .300 BLK is the barrel and the ammo.
"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 06:26 PM
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Do any of yall own one? I am getting mixed reviews on forums online from everything to they are complete garbage to they are alright.. I have seen too many they are freaking outstandings lol. I am hoping I didnt make a bad decision but its not that serious It's and easy switch back. I know the ammo is limited and expensive and I hear there is quite a bit of shot drop at 200 yards something like 5 1/2 inches... Any other issues or maybe some praises, that would be nice haha
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 06:33 PM
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I have a couple. Economical and adequate about sums the cartridge up. Ammo prices are coming down and it is cheap to reload. Works fine on anything in Texas 200 yds and in, some push it further. I've killed a couple doe and a number of pigs with it.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 06:36 PM
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Chalet I didn't plan on Moose hunting with it so I should be good lol... I really just wanted it for hog hunting and wanted a little extra punch
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 06:40 PM
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Do any of yall own one? I am getting mixed reviews on forums online from everything to they are complete garbage to they are alright.. I have seen too many they are freaking outstandings lol. I am hoping I didnt make a bad decision but its not that serious It's and easy switch back. I know the ammo is limited and expensive and I hear there is quite a bit of shot drop at 200 yards something like 5 1/2 inches... Any other issues or maybe some praises, that would be nice haha Hunters are quick to blame caliber, bullet type, optics but 95% of the time its the hunter with bad shot placement or not being patient and waiting for a good shot opportunity. A 223 will drop a pig if you hit it in the right spot just as easily as a 308. I don't think you will have any issues within 200 yds with the 300 BLK.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 06:43 PM
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I know every time I've made a bad shot it was my equipment's fault, I understand what you mean. That is reassuring though. You read too many sites for too long they can make any good thing turn into garbage.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 09:55 PM
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Whether you made the best decision or not will depend on your intended use for your rifle. How much do you think you will be shooting? Any plans to shoot suppressed? Hunting with the rifle? Was cost a major concern (I.E you specifically went with the .300 BLK to avoid having to buy a new bolt and mags like other calibers require)? There are many different factors that come in to play when choosing the caliber of an upper.
If you bought the upper to hunt with as a "step up" from a 5.56 as many others have, then I would say that there are definitely better choices available. Most people fail to realize that the heavier .223 bullets (75 grains for example) will actually carry more energy at 100 yards than even the 110 grain VOR-TX .300 blackout round that everyone brags about. On the other hand, is the .300 BLK adequate for deer and pigs? Heck yeah!
"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 10:44 PM
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I have one. My S&W M&P15 300 Blackout had a few factory upgrades, a 5R barrel, real tree APG finish....it's what I carry when I'm not deer hunting. (I have shot a couple of does with it) With Hornady 110 gr V-Max I have shot some really tight groups at the range. Great accuracy. With this same ammo everything I have shot was dead on it's feet. There's something to be said for the wound channel created. Recoil is nothing. This is the only AR I have ever had or wanted. All I needed was something that had all the mobility characteristics of an AR, in .30. I buy off the shelf ammo at Cabelas, Academy or Bass Pro without issue. A few years back when everything was a little scarce, Dallas Custom Reloads kept me going with great stuff. You'll be happy with it.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/10/16 11:15 PM
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You have to be careful when reading reports of 300blk lethality. Often times people are trying to bring down deer/pigs with subsonic rounds, which aren't nearly as powerful as supersonic loadings. Supersonic 300blk will kill just about anything in Texas within 200 yards. That said, if you go trying to shoot deer with subs, you'd better know your drop chart inside and out, otherwise you'll probably end up wounding or missing an animal.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 03:44 AM
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I have a new SBR .300 and recently shot six pigs with the gun. With the Barnes Tac Tx 110 grain I recovered 4 of 4 pigs. With Remington OTP I've shot 2 and didn't recover either. I'm confident the two I shot with the Remington ammo weren't the best shots, but I feel strongly they died. The two I didn't recover we're part of a group of four smaller pigs. Each time I shot one of the piglets they'd run off and come back, but one less piglet each time. The last time they came back there were only two, but unfortunately they got in with the cows so I couldn't get a clean shot.
My small sample size shows me the .300 is more than adequate for deer and pigs as long as you're using full power ammo.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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#6218800
03/11/16 04:08 AM
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What they said, plus the ability, depending on what you are loading, you can throw a 78 grain to a 220 grain projectile. However, if you want to run all kinds of bullet weights and/or a suppressor plus get optimal performance, I suggest an adjustable gas block.
Only at the end do you realize the power of the Dark Side.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 05:05 AM
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I have a new SBR .300 and recently shot six pigs with the gun. With the Barnes Tac Tx 110 grain I recovered 4 of 4 pigs. With Remington OTP I've shot 2 and didn't recover either. I'm confident the two I shot with the Remington ammo weren't the best shots, but I feel strongly they died. The two I didn't recover we're part of a group of four smaller pigs. Each time I shot one of the piglets they'd run off and come back, but one less piglet each time. The last time they came back there were only two, but unfortunately they got in with the cows so I couldn't get a clean shot.
My small sample size shows me the .300 is more than adequate for deer and pigs as long as you're using full power ammo. The neck, the space before the expansion begins, is pretty long on the 120 OT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq59_x7OJzY
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 07:27 AM
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Do any of yall own one? I am getting mixed reviews on forums online from everything to they are complete garbage to they are alright.. I have seen too many they are freaking outstandings lol. I am hoping I didnt make a bad decision but its not that serious It's and easy switch back. I know the ammo is limited and expensive and I hear there is quite a bit of shot drop at 200 yards something like 5 1/2 inches... Any other issues or maybe some praises, that would be nice haha It's not garbage if you use it as intended; SBR suppressed gun. For any other setup it's pointless.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 02:56 PM
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I have a new SBR .300 and recently shot six pigs with the gun. With the Barnes Tac Tx 110 grain I recovered 4 of 4 pigs. With Remington OTP I've shot 2 and didn't recover either. I'm confident the two I shot with the Remington ammo weren't the best shots, but I feel strongly they died. The two I didn't recover we're part of a group of four smaller pigs. Each time I shot one of the piglets they'd run off and come back, but one less piglet each time. The last time they came back there were only two, but unfortunately they got in with the cows so I couldn't get a clean shot.
My small sample size shows me the .300 is more than adequate for deer and pigs as long as you're using full power ammo. So you have recovered 2/3 or roughly 66% of the animals you have shot with your .300 BLK and you're happy with that??? If you think losing one of every three animals you shoot is ok, you've been doing things wrong. To me, your numbers support the argument that .300 BLK is underpowered as a hunting round.
"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 03:00 PM
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Do any of yall own one? I am getting mixed reviews on forums online from everything to they are complete garbage to they are alright.. I have seen too many they are freaking outstandings lol. I am hoping I didnt make a bad decision but its not that serious It's and easy switch back. I know the ammo is limited and expensive and I hear there is quite a bit of shot drop at 200 yards something like 5 1/2 inches... Any other issues or maybe some praises, that would be nice haha It's not garbage if you use it as intended; SBR suppressed gun. For any other setup it's pointless. It was designed as a suppressed and/or SBR caliber for sure. However, I wouldn't say it is "pointless" to have a .300 BLK that is neither of those things, just that there are better options available if you are looking for a 16" barrel and don't plan to shoot with a can.
"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 03:07 PM
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I have a new SBR .300 and recently shot six pigs with the gun. With the Barnes Tac Tx 110 grain I recovered 4 of 4 pigs. With Remington OTP I've shot 2 and didn't recover either. I'm confident the two I shot with the Remington ammo weren't the best shots, but I feel strongly they died. The two I didn't recover we're part of a group of four smaller pigs. Each time I shot one of the piglets they'd run off and come back, but one less piglet each time. The last time they came back there were only two, but unfortunately they got in with the cows so I couldn't get a clean shot.
My small sample size shows me the .300 is more than adequate for deer and pigs as long as you're using full power ammo. So you have recovered 2/3 or roughly 66% of the animals you have shot with your .300 BLK and you're happy with that??? If you think losing one of every three animals you shoot is ok, you've been doing things wrong. To me, your numbers support the argument that .300 BLK is underpowered as a hunting round. Looks like the ones he didn't recover he shot with OTM's, not sure if they are sub or super's. Hunting bullets at super sonic velocities work fine. My recovery rate for hogs is less than deer. Unlike a deer where I am pretty particular about my shot I'll shoot at a pig wherever - on the run, in the [censored], when their too far, etc and if I get one or two on the ground I'm not spending all day looking around for one that limped off. Pretty sure I'm not the only one here with that mentality. I agree though, 2/3 is a little low.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 05:21 PM
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I have a new SBR .300 and recently shot six pigs with the gun. With the Barnes Tac Tx 110 grain I recovered 4 of 4 pigs. With Remington OTP I've shot 2 and didn't recover either. I'm confident the two I shot with the Remington ammo weren't the best shots, but I feel strongly they died. The two I didn't recover we're part of a group of four smaller pigs. Each time I shot one of the piglets they'd run off and come back, but one less piglet each time. The last time they came back there were only two, but unfortunately they got in with the cows so I couldn't get a clean shot.
My small sample size shows me the .300 is more than adequate for deer and pigs as long as you're using full power ammo. So you have recovered 2/3 or roughly 66% of the animals you have shot with your .300 BLK and you're happy with that??? If you think losing one of every three animals you shoot is ok, you've been doing things wrong. To me, your numbers support the argument that .300 BLK is underpowered as a hunting round. My attempts to recover the two pigs was pretty limited. I shot them late at night and they ran into heavy cover, so I wasn't overly motivated to find them. The purpose of my post was to give real world experiences with the .300 blackout. To each his own, but for pig hunting I have no issues with the .300 and believe it's an effective round with supersonic ammo. I'm not going to intentionally take questionable shots on pigs, but my main purpose where I hunt is to put a dent in the pig population vs. hunting for food. As another member stated, with deer I'll take extra measures to insure an ethical shot, and believe within the limits of the round that the .300 would be effective on deer.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 05:58 PM
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I have a new SBR .300 and recently shot six pigs with the gun. With the Barnes Tac Tx 110 grain I recovered 4 of 4 pigs. With Remington OTP I've shot 2 and didn't recover either. I'm confident the two I shot with the Remington ammo weren't the best shots, but I feel strongly they died. The two I didn't recover we're part of a group of four smaller pigs. Each time I shot one of the piglets they'd run off and come back, but one less piglet each time. The last time they came back there were only two, but unfortunately they got in with the cows so I couldn't get a clean shot.
My small sample size shows me the .300 is more than adequate for deer and pigs as long as you're using full power ammo. So you have recovered 2/3 or roughly 66% of the animals you have shot with your .300 BLK and you're happy with that??? If you think losing one of every three animals you shoot is ok, you've been doing things wrong. To me, your numbers support the argument that .300 BLK is underpowered as a hunting round. Or, as he acknowledged, shot placement is more likely the reason for his lack of recovery.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/11/16 05:59 PM
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So you have recovered 2/3 or roughly 66% of the animals you have shot with your .300 BLK and you're happy with that??? If you think losing one of every three animals you shoot is ok, you've been doing things wrong. To me, your numbers support the argument that .300 BLK is underpowered as a hunting round. Is a .22 LR an underpowered round for pigs? Because a .22 LR will kill pigs easily with a well placed shot to the head. The issue with most 300 blk subs is the bullets that most use are not designed to open at subsonic speed. So you end up with a bullet that goes clean through and does not mushroom. Small holes tend to close up so no blood trail and the animal runs off and dies somewhere. There are bullets designed for that but they often cost a lot more. I have a 16" and an 8" SBR in 300blk. It's fun to shoot, low recoil, lots of rounds, and subs are pretty quiet suppressed. I've shot deer and pigs with it. Is it my first choice when hunting? Usually not, but it depends on the situation and expected conditions. If I just wanted an AR for pigs and deer and suppressed wasn't an immediate option, I'd go with a 6.8 spc.
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Re: 300 Blackout
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03/12/16 11:12 AM
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Once a month we get a .300AAC bash topic.
Pass the gravy.
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