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#6201103 - 02/26/16 11:26 PM Ducks Unlimited brain fart
BDB Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 01/30/14
Posts: 333
Sense its off season and we were all so busy trying to kill ducks, what your thoughts on DU decision to drop E Don Thomas from its magazine. From what I have read for myself, DU dropped the ball on this. The powers to be at Du who made that decision need to fired.

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#6201750 - 02/27/16 04:58 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
G K Chambers Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 49

Sad to hear. I've enjoyed his writing for years. Apparently he annoyed one of the money boys. Here's all I could find:


http://www.hcn.org/articles/quack-attack-ducks-unlimited-fires-writer-over-stream-access-fracas
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#6202199 - 02/27/16 10:44 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
BDB Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 01/30/14
Posts: 333
The article was about a regional issue in Montana. DU needed to keep their nose out of it. The fact they claim Kennedy had nothing to do with Thomas dismissal reeks of lies and betrayal. Its like saying no college athlete gets money/gifts. Nobody can prove it but we all know what is really happening at our favorite college athletic department lol. Whats sad is the grass roots level chapters will get hurt here. They have done nothing wrong but will be effected by this. I've wrote DU and have informed them that my membership is over unless they right the ship on this.

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#6203219 - 02/28/16 09:37 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
Littledog Offline
Tracker

Registered: 04/18/07
Posts: 536
Loc: Williamson Co.
Are you surprised by this?
This is a flagrant example of what is wrong with DU and his been for decades.
DU for many is a high society fraternity of "LL Bean" wearing Doctors and Lawyers.
All you have to do is attend one of the bigger DU banquets and you will witness it first hand.
The cost of a table, the winning bids, the amount of booze consumed.
Sure, some portion of the funds raised do go to good use but for the majority of the high rollers it serves as blood money for their "above the law" actions when in the field and justification for favors to be received later.

You wouldn't have to dig to deep to find favoritism to levels beyond belief.
DU refuge land purchases next to Dr. Bob's private ranch.
DU sponsored hunts where only "special" people are invited.
Approvals for habitat improvement $$s on Dr. Bill's ranch while not being approved on his neighbors ranch (the one who isn't in the good ole boys club.)
I've seen pictures of pickup truck beds literally overflowing with mallards with local DU executives posing, grinning from ear to ear.

The levels of corruption within DU may not reach the Hillary Clinton level but it's certainly bad enough that they wont be getting any of my dollars.

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#6203634 - 02/29/16 09:32 AM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
BDB Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 01/30/14
Posts: 333
I'm surprised they actually fired Thomas for this. He's not exactly a local yokal writer. He called a spaid a spaid and got canned for it. I personally have no problem with the Kennedy's of the DU world getting to hunt national honey holes if there giving up the money they do but this crud crossed a line, got thrown back across it by Montana sportsman and courts, and is still trying to cross those lines. Got called out by Thomas and du takes the cruds side. The irony is this....DU is supposed to be a conservation organization that stands for, among many things public access...which the crud was trying to deny to Montana sportsman (illegally so said the courts).

It doesn't take much effort to see the backlash du is taking on this. Thomas has the vast majority on his side on this issue.

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#6204971 - 03/01/16 07:16 AM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
TXPride Offline
Pro Tracker

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 1876
Loc: Lost
I've been a long time supporter of DU, served as volunteer on several different chapters.

I've been quick to defend them, and recognize that an organization that big isn't going to make everyone happy.

However, the decision to let that writer go (and removed articles from websites) crossed many lines for me. Their defense is that they were defending a DU volunteer is bs.

The freelance writer wrote in support of public land, called out a bully private landowner, presented facts, and had nothing to do with DU in the article.

When DU made the decision to listen to their pockets and basically did a type of whistleblower retaliation instead of supporting outdoor writers it showed bad corruption and true colors.

I'm glad they exist and I still think they are an important tool in conservation efforts. I hope they continue to grow, but...

It was a bad decision, and I can't/won't donate to them with a clear conscience until they issue an apology. Many people fill the same as me.

I'm glad I don't work for them or have a DU tatoo.


Edited by TXPride (03/01/16 07:20 AM)
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#6205159 - 03/01/16 09:10 AM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
Buffs 1 Offline


Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 454
Loc: Mansfield
I haven't decided on which side I fall on this issue, but the original article is an interesting read.

Outside Bozeman Article

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#6205160 - 03/01/16 09:11 AM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: Littledog]
duckbill Offline
Veteran Tracker

Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 2237
Loc: Mckinney, Texas
Originally Posted By: Littledog
Are you surprised by this?
This is a flagrant example of what is wrong with DU and his been for decades.
DU for many is a high society fraternity of "LL Bean" wearing Doctors and Lawyers.
All you have to do is attend one of the bigger DU banquets and you will witness it first hand.
The cost of a table, the winning bids, the amount of booze consumed.
Sure, some portion of the funds raised do go to good use but for the majority of the high rollers it serves as blood money for their "above the law" actions when in the field and justification for favors to be received later.

You wouldn't have to dig to deep to find favoritism to levels beyond belief.
DU refuge land purchases next to Dr. Bob's private ranch.
DU sponsored hunts where only "special" people are invited.
Approvals for habitat improvement $$s on Dr. Bill's ranch while not being approved on his neighbors ranch (the one who isn't in the good ole boys club.)
I've seen pictures of pickup truck beds literally overflowing with mallards with local DU executives posing, grinning from ear to ear.

The levels of corruption within DU may not reach the Hillary Clinton level but it's certainly bad enough that they wont be getting any of my dollars.



And the best part about it is it's not even that high of a society. Most of the "big wigs" at DU are laughed at by the upper echelon.
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Lol. Duckbill that was funny!

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The dude up top has already taken lots of bone before this deer, both mule and whitetail.

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#6205261 - 03/01/16 10:31 AM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
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THF Trophy Hunter

Registered: 10/18/06
Posts: 7065
Basically if anyone is suprised by this. You've not paid very good attention.

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#6205272 - 03/01/16 10:37 AM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
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Registered: 09/22/11
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Loc: Normangee/Navasota TX
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#6205463 - 03/01/16 01:05 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: ducknbass]
Judd Online   content


Registered: 01/22/09
Posts: 10762
Loc: Sachse, TX
Originally Posted By: ducknbass
Basically if anyone is suprised by this. You've not paid very good attention.


Garrett....another example for the "like" button campaign you're running grin
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#6205518 - 03/01/16 01:49 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: Judd]
garrett Offline
THF Celebrity

Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 10287
Originally Posted By: Judd
Originally Posted By: ducknbass
Basically if anyone is suprised by this. You've not paid very good attention.


Garrett....another example for the "like" button campaign you're running grin


thanks for the PM pointing this out, Judd. I almost missed a great opportunity to push my agenda. i saw a DU thread and just assumed it was a DU sucks Delta is great thread, and then it would morph into a debate about CCA sucking and that all commercial crabbers were going to heaven and everyone against them were are going to hell.
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#6205629 - 03/01/16 02:46 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: garrett]
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Pro Tracker

Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 1016
Loc: North Texas
Originally Posted By: garrett
Originally Posted By: Judd
Originally Posted By: ducknbass
Basically if anyone is suprised by this. You've not paid very good attention.


Garrett....another example for the "like" button campaign you're running grin


thanks for the PM pointing this out, Judd. I almost missed a great opportunity to push my agenda. i saw a DU thread and just assumed it was a DU sucks Delta is great thread, and then it would morph into a debate about CCA sucking and that all commercial crabbers were going to heaven and everyone against them were are going to hell.


Don't drag Wal into this.....he's having a rough week.
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#6205688 - 03/01/16 03:14 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: Limit Extender]
garrett Offline
THF Celebrity

Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 10287
Originally Posted By: Limit Extender
Originally Posted By: garrett
Originally Posted By: Judd
Originally Posted By: ducknbass
Basically if anyone is suprised by this. You've not paid very good attention.


Garrett....another example for the "like" button campaign you're running grin


thanks for the PM pointing this out, Judd. I almost missed a great opportunity to push my agenda. i saw a DU thread and just assumed it was a DU sucks Delta is great thread, and then it would morph into a debate about CCA sucking and that all commercial crabbers were going to heaven and everyone against them were are going to hell.


Don't drag Wal into this.....he's having a rough week.


very weak, your better than this up
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#6205715 - 03/01/16 03:36 PM Re: Ducks Unlimited brain fart [Re: BDB]
Littledog Offline
Tracker

Registered: 04/18/07
Posts: 536
Loc: Williamson Co.
After a re-read, my post was a bit harsh.
I agree that DU has and continues to do great things in the way of habitat rescue, management and acquisition.
They are a great voice in Washington for wetlands protection, etc.

There are a lot of things about DU that I don't understand.
They are "classified" as a "Non-profit" but I don't know what that means. Certainly the DU execs profit. Hall, CEO made $432K in 2014. They have retirement plans, employee investment programs, etc.

DU holds "Conservation Easements" to over 375K acres. At the time of the donations (spanning back to the incorporation of DU) these easements were valued in excess of $500 million! What does "easement" mean in this case? Do they own the land or just the usage rights? For how long? Since I haven't seen land or lease prices come down lately, one can only guess at the value today . . over $1B ?? How is that not profit? Like I said, a lot of stuff I don't understand.

As a "non-profit", DU receives ALOT of our tax dollars (Duck stamp money, etc.) to use as they see fit.

If you want, check out these:
2014 DU Audit (It's very interesting to see where their lands are . . and are not!! Very little holding in Texas. Can you say: Short Stopping?)
Charity Rating (Note where they rate in comparison to other outdoor "charities".)

We should remember that DU is not a government agency. It is a private corporation. While public opinion and image is very important, they are free to do as they see fit. They may regret it later, but they can still do it.

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