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#6191802 - 02/20/16 08:02 AM Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck
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#6191843 - 02/20/16 08:45 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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I don't understand what was done illegally. I read the entire article, and I didn't see where they clearly mentioned just what the illegal part was. Supposedly, he poached it, but how? He hunted the place for ten years, so wasn't he allowed to hunt there? It was shot during season, right? Can doing something the landowner or lease manager doesn't allow be illegal?
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#6191870 - 02/20/16 09:10 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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I too have a problem seeing where he broke the law, except the self imposed one of the lease manager. The only thing I can think of is that he did not "tag" the deer. That would be breaking the law, but nowhere do I see where he "poached" the deer. He did break lease rules, but that should not be considered poaching by the state. that should be considered being an Ahole by the other lease holders. There has to be more of this to get the Texas GW's involved.
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#6191875 - 02/20/16 09:11 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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I would like to know the outcome of this! Thanks for posting this however there are a few unanswered questions regarding the charges. What were the Federal charges in violation of the Lacey Act?! Had this idiot Weiner already tagged out before shooting the "Super Buck"? Is the ranch owner going to file in civil court?
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#6191918 - 02/20/16 09:52 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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The hunter paid $10,000 to hunt. He harvested a deer on land he legally had a right to hunt. He had the deer he harvested mounted. I'll assume by a taxidermist who checked the tag. I don't believe it is illegal for an out of state hunter to harvest a deer and take it home in a cooler. If he had a license.... I'll assume he did since he hunted there for 10 years. Maybe not. confused2Just not sure why a person would be on a lease for 10 years at 10K and not own a license.
As far as check-in the article reads as though it is a "ranch rule" not a state rule. So I can see he violated a ranch rule or ranch contract. Not sure the State gets involved with enforcing lease contracts as long as the follow state laws.. A lease might give you the right to hunt only mallards but it would be hard for the state to knock on your door because you shot a legal wood duck. Usually breaking a lease rule gets you thrown off or maybe a fine.

More to the story.. I think.


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#6191938 - 02/20/16 10:18 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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I read the whole article and don't see where any laws were broken. This is Texas and not checking in a deer at ranch headquarters has never been against the law. I also don't understand why anyone would go to that much trouble and expense to catch someone in a lie.

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#6191939 - 02/20/16 10:20 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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The article did seem to me to be written by someone that isn't all that familiar with Texas hunting, so I'm guessing they missed a detail.
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#6191943 - 02/20/16 10:23 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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Sounds a lot like "Making a Murder" to me. Ranch owner wasn't happy that trophy buck was killed, has the money and the contacts to get what he thinks is his property back, and forces his hand. No doubt the hunter knew he violated lease rules, which can't be enforced by Gamewardens. Everything about this story sounds fishy, but then again, the writer is no different than the buffoons we watch on the news everyday, and likely doesn't have all the facts of the case.
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#6191951 - 02/20/16 10:32 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: BigPig]
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If a rancher tells you that you can only shoot one animal, yet you kill two, is that poaching? Is it punishable by the state? If a rancher tells you you can shoot a blackbuck and you shoot an axis, same question. Where is the line drawn? If the county is two bucks, but the ranch rules are one buck, can you get charged for shooting two?
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#6191958 - 02/20/16 10:38 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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Not tagging deer, moving deer off property without tag, across state line, and could possibly face civil charges from other lease holders. Depends on definition of poach. Just asking ??
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#6191961 - 02/20/16 10:39 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: blackcoal]
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Originally Posted By: blackcoal
Not tagging deer, moving deer off property without tag, across state line, and could possibly face civil charges from other lease holders. Depends on definition of poach. Just asking ??


Same here. No tag is a state violation but not sure with the way the story was told, how they could know he didn't.
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#6191963 - 02/20/16 10:40 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: txshntr]
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Originally Posted By: txshntr
If a rancher tells you that you can only shoot one animal, yet you kill two, is that poaching? Is it punishable by the state? If a rancher tells you you can shoot a blackbuck and you shoot an axis, same question. Where is the line drawn? If the county is two bucks, but the ranch rules are one buck, can you get charged for shooting two?


That's what I want to know. I've always wondered this, and the article makes it seem as though that's the case.
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#6191964 - 02/20/16 10:40 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: mikei]
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It never said that he didn't tag the animal. Or did I miss that.

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#6191967 - 02/20/16 10:42 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: BigPig]
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Originally Posted By: BigPig
Sounds a lot like "Making a Murder" to me. Ranch owner wasn't happy that trophy buck was killed, has the money and the contacts to get what he thinks is his property back, and forces his hand. No doubt the hunter knew he violated lease rules, which can't be enforced by Gamewardens. Everything about this story sounds fishy, but then again, the writer is no different than the buffoons we watch on the news everyday, and likely doesn't have all the facts of the case.


That's what I thought.
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#6191973 - 02/20/16 10:44 AM Re: Sad tale of the poaching of SuperBuck [Re: scalebuster]
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Originally Posted By: scalebuster
It never said that he didn't tag the animal. Or did I miss that.


It mentioned it, but it didn't specifically say that's what he did. It's not written in a very clear manner.
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