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#6181767 - 02/13/16 10:34 AM AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack...
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Before you go to use it saturate it in oil.

I've said for years that every High Lift jack sold should have a can of WD 40 attached to it.

Sorry, just my country boy way of relating things together.

So what tools are handy for cleaning up the bolt on a LR 308? I just took it out, wiped off all the carbon, and reoiled. I know that was fast and nasty but I was in a hurry.
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#6181772 - 02/13/16 10:39 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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You shooting it suppressed Jason? Mine gets absolutely filthy shooting suppressed. I actually get a small plastic tub and fill it up with break cleaner and let mine sit in there then use a plastic bristle brush like a tooth brush to scrub it and let it sit some more. Then take it out wipe it down, then let it dry. Make sure and lube it back up afterward that brake cleaner will take all the oil/lube off it.
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#6181782 - 02/13/16 10:54 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: KRoyal]
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Yes, the suppressor makes it filthy very quick.

Every person I have seen shoot them suppressed all day had better stop ocassionlly, pull the bolt, clean and oil. If not the rifle will lock up, especially in my presence.
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#6181788 - 02/13/16 10:56 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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Yea when I took your class mine was getting really close to locking up by the end of the day. Think I went through about 120 rounds and it was getting gummed up pretty dang good.
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#6181789 - 02/13/16 10:57 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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are you disassembling the bolt? Need to very simple and quick.
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#6181793 - 02/13/16 11:00 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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They do make AR15 bolt scraper tools but idk if it will work on a 308 bolt.

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#6181797 - 02/13/16 11:04 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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Direct impingement.

- A giant step backward in the design of automatic and semi-automatic rifles.

Our troops deserve better. If you've seen video of our troops throwing down a malfunctioning M16 and picking up one from a dead comrade during a firefight, you'll understand precisely what I am talking about.


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#6181801 - 02/13/16 11:15 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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Got to a piston system if you want run a suppressor
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#6181843 - 02/13/16 11:51 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: BigPig]
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Originally Posted By: BigPig
Got to a piston system if you want run a suppressor


Or just take care of the one I have. Cheaper that way.
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#6181845 - 02/13/16 11:51 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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I don't even own an AR, but I thought alot of guys run them dry because the oil attracts dirt, and turns to sludge.
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#6181847 - 02/13/16 11:53 AM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: Tff caribou]
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Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
I don't even own an AR, but I thought alot of guys run them dry because the oil attracts dirt, and turns to sludge.


Grease will do that. I've seen way too many problems of accidentally running one dry. In fact my AR-15 bolt literally broke in half from lack of oil.
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#6181861 - 02/13/16 12:09 PM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: BigPig
Got to a piston system if you want run a suppressor


Or just take care of the one I have. Cheaper that way.


Yep as long as you take care of the DI guns they will last a life time. You abuse them and they could break just like any other gun that isn't taken care of. I actually prefer a DI gun to piston gun. Had a POF piston 308 before I got the CMMG and like the CMMG better.
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#6181887 - 02/13/16 12:43 PM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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I don't know of anyone who runs an AR dry for very long. Lots of guy are using all sorts of concoctions to keep them lubed for the high volume run and gun events. Very popular mix is 1/4 Mobil 1 ATF, and 3/4 Mobil 1 10/30. All synthetic.
If I am volume shooting in the field I spray foaming CLP, wipe it off, go back to work ( you can never get it all out...and you don't want to ). First round after a spray down blows a bunch of oil everywhere frown

BTW, you can read the history of the M16 jams. As I recall it, too much calcium carbonate (Stabilizer and flash suppressant) which clogged the gas tubes. They were reformulated with reduced calcium carbonate and most of the problems went away. Also there were ignition issues with the early ball powders with the retardant coating working too well, and lots of powder residue resulted in very dirty guns. The solution was simple, they mixed in uncoated particles and the powder ignited easier and burned more completely.
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#6181894 - 02/13/16 12:58 PM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: ASIC777]
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Originally Posted By: ASIC777
I don't know of anyone who runs an AR dry for very long. Lots of guy are using all sorts of concoctions to keep them lubed for the high volume run and gun events. Very popular mix is 1/4 Mobil 1 ATF, and 3/4 Mobil 1 10/30. All synthetic.


I'm gonna mix up some of that. Preciate the tip!

Probably be just as great in a bolt action.
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#6181909 - 02/13/16 01:13 PM Re: AR type rifles are exactly like a High Lift jack... [Re: FiremanJG]
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I run Frog Lube on all my guns, stuff is great and makes cleaning a breeze. Piston driven runs much cooler, and since you're running it suppressed you are getting a lot of heat and trash blown back into the action. Don't run WD40 as it attracts dirt and gets gummy real quick
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