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#6161114 - 01/29/16 01:46 PM millett scopes
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Does anyone have any input on millett scopes. I just bought one and was wondering about some feed back good or bad. The one I bought is the TRS-1 4x16

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#6161147 - 01/29/16 02:11 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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I have owned 2 of that model Good glass, tracked well but the scope was just real heavy.
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#6161168 - 01/29/16 02:21 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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GlC maybe one day you can send me a pm on using this thing, I watched a video and read the manual and it just left me really confused with the whole 10x being the only true magnification. Can I just zero at 100 normally and shoot it like a regular scope and it still hold that same zero at different magnifications.

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#6161175 - 01/29/16 02:25 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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They're ok. I've had a couple but since sold them off. I do remember them being abnormally heavy though

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#6161236 - 01/29/16 03:01 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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Originally Posted By: alaska7878
GlC maybe one day you can send me a pm on using this thing, I watched a video and read the manual and it just left me really confused with the whole 10x being the only true magnification. Can I just zero at 100 normally and shoot it like a regular scope and it still hold that same zero at different magnifications.


What they probably meant by that is the reticle in your scope, assuming it is something like a mildot, is only true value at 10x. Meaning that the measurement between the center of the crosshair to the center of the first circle is only truly one mil-radian apart at 10x. The actual difference is more or less depending on the magnification. Read up on something known as "first vs second focal planes" or "FFP vs SFP". Yours is probably a second focal plane.
But getting back to the point, while the actual read angle between the crosshair and the next reference point varies with magnification, the position of the crosshair center does NOT move.

Ex: if u r zeroed at 100yards AND your 200yard zero is at the first circle below at 10x, then at 16x the zero at 100 yards at the crosshair will be the same but your 200 yard zero at the first dot will change.

I hope this was clear and helpful.

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#6161246 - 01/29/16 03:08 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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Yes it does thank you very. I watched the video and was like what the heck but it does make more sense now.

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#6161343 - 01/29/16 04:17 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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And all that ties into the ballistic calculator of your choosing.

www.jbmballistics.com is free, and a very good calculator. Input BC, MV, bullet diameter, and bullet weight. Zero the rifle and the turrets at 100 yards. The calculator will give you elevation and wind corrections in Mils.

Example:

200 yds .4
300 yds 1.0
400 yds 1.8
500 yds 2.6
600 yds 3.6
700 yds 4.7
800 yds 5.8

You can dial to those numbers on the turret, effectively changing your zero for that distance. Or, hold those values in the reticle without dialing. So your first MIL dot below center is your 300 yard correction. Hold 8/10's more (almost to the second dot) and that is your 400 yard hold, ect.
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#6161470 - 01/29/16 06:22 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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I had one. Besides not having a reticle marked for holdover, I liked it just fine.
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#6162199 - 01/30/16 11:58 AM Re: millett scopes [Re: Korean Redneck]
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Originally Posted By: Korean Redneck
Originally Posted By: alaska7878
GlC maybe one day you can send me a pm on using this thing, I watched a video and read the manual and it just left me really confused with the whole 10x being the only true magnification. Can I just zero at 100 normally and shoot it like a regular scope and it still hold that same zero at different magnifications.


What they probably meant by that is the reticle in your scope, assuming it is something like a mildot, is only true value at 10x. Meaning that the measurement between the center of the crosshair to the center of the first circle is only truly one mil-radian apart at 10x. The actual difference is more or less depending on the magnification. Read up on something known as "first vs second focal planes" or "FFP vs SFP". Yours is probably a second focal plane.
But getting back to the point, while the actual read angle between the crosshair and the next reference point varies with magnification, the position of the crosshair center does NOT move.

Ex: if u r zeroed at 100yards AND your 200yard zero is at the first circle below at 10x, then at 16x the zero at 100 yards at the crosshair will be the same but your 200 yard zero at the first dot will change.

I hope this was clear and helpful.


This is true, when you zero your scope at 100 yards do it at 10X, Other power settings upper and lower will be off a little as far as zero but the 10X will always remain constant. PM me if you have any questions. And yes this is a second focal plane scope. That is why when you try using the mill has marks on the reticule it will only be correct at the 10x power setting.
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#6162213 - 01/30/16 12:12 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: GLC]
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Originally Posted By: GLC
Originally Posted By: Korean Redneck
Originally Posted By: alaska7878
GlC maybe one day you can send me a pm on using this thing, I watched a video and read the manual and it just left me really confused with the whole 10x being the only true magnification. Can I just zero at 100 normally and shoot it like a regular scope and it still hold that same zero at different magnifications.


What they probably meant by that is the reticle in your scope, assuming it is something like a mildot, is only true value at 10x. Meaning that the measurement between the center of the crosshair to the center of the first circle is only truly one mil-radian apart at 10x. The actual difference is more or less depending on the magnification. Read up on something known as "first vs second focal planes" or "FFP vs SFP". Yours is probably a second focal plane.
But getting back to the point, while the actual read angle between the crosshair and the next reference point varies with magnification, the position of the crosshair center does NOT move.

Ex: if u r zeroed at 100yards AND your 200yard zero is at the first circle below at 10x, then at 16x the zero at 100 yards at the crosshair will be the same but your 200 yard zero at the first dot will change.

I hope this was clear and helpful.


This is true, when you zero your scope at 100 yards do it at 10X, Other power settings upper and lower will be off a little as far as zero but the 10X will always remain constant. PM me if you have any questions. And yes this is a second focal plane scope. That is why when you try using the mill has marks on the reticule it will only be correct at the 10x power setting.


Why would the zero be off at any other magnification. I'd throw a scope in the garbage if the zero changed on different magnifications.
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#6162276 - 01/30/16 01:16 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: Tff caribou]
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^^Exactly^^

I zero on all the magnification I have available. Aim small, hit small.
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#6162383 - 01/30/16 03:04 PM Re: millett scopes [Re: Tff caribou]
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Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Originally Posted By: GLC
Originally Posted By: Korean Redneck
Originally Posted By: alaska7878
GlC maybe one day you can send me a pm on using this thing, I watched a video and read the manual and it just left me really confused with the whole 10x being the only true magnification. Can I just zero at 100 normally and shoot it like a regular scope and it still hold that same zero at different magnifications.


What they probably meant by that is the reticle in your scope, assuming it is something like a mildot, is only true value at 10x. Meaning that the measurement between the center of the crosshair to the center of the first circle is only truly one mil-radian apart at 10x. The actual difference is more or less depending on the magnification. Read up on something known as "first vs second focal planes" or "FFP vs SFP". Yours is probably a second focal plane.
But getting back to the point, while the actual read angle between the crosshair and the next reference point varies with magnification, the position of the crosshair center does NOT move.

Ex: if u r zeroed at 100yards AND your 200yard zero is at the first circle below at 10x, then at 16x the zero at 100 yards at the crosshair will be the same but your 200 yard zero at the first dot will change.

I hope this was clear and helpful.


This is true, when you zero your scope at 100 yards do it at 10X, Other power settings upper and lower will be off a little as far as zero but the 10X will always remain constant. PM me if you have any questions. And yes this is a second focal plane scope. That is why when you try using the mill has marks on the reticule it will only be correct at the 10x power setting.


Why would the zero be off at any other magnification. I'd throw a scope in the garbage if the zero changed on different magnifications.


When I re-read what I wrote it did not make a lot of sense. What I meant is if you try to do hold overs below 10 power and above 10 power using the mill dots on their reticle for ranging, they will not be accurate due to it being a second focal plane scope. I believe most other second focal plane scopes have their zero setting on the most magnification power where Millett does at 10. I have no idea what they did it like that. The only way that you can range at any magnification is by having a FFP scope.
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#6162972 - 01/31/16 12:19 AM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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There's ya go. Ok, I honestly wasn't sure what you meant.
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#6163081 - 01/31/16 08:27 AM Re: millett scopes [Re: alaska7878]
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I encountered this exact thing with someone's Nikon. It too was NOT full mil values at full power but lower.

U can range estimate with second focal but it will take much on your part. Theoretically if 10x is full value and spaced one milrad apparent, then...
@ 5x it's spaced 2 milrad apart
@ 15x it's spaced .66mil rad apart

And even this is assuming at 5x, for example, is perfectly half the magnification of 10x. And even this is not always true for all scopes. Not all magnifications rings are exactly what they say they are. Regardless, the region inverse ratio relationship between the magnification and actually mil values will always hold true.

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#6163210 - 01/31/16 10:32 AM Re: millett scopes [Re: GLC]
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Originally Posted By: GLC


When I re-read what I wrote it did not make a lot of sense. What I meant is if you try to do hold overs below 10 power and above 10 power using the mill dots on their reticle for ranging, they will not be accurate due to it being a second focal plane scope. I believe most other second focal plane scopes have their zero setting on the most magnification power where Millett does at 10. I have no idea what they did it like that. The only way that you can range at any magnification is by having a FFP scope.


There IS a reason---in FFP scopes the reticle is scaled to the image and it becomes larger as magnification is increased so if the crosshair subtends the target at 4x, it also will at 16x...but what you get is the mil dots working for you no matter where you've set the zoom. In SFP scopes, the reticle always looks the same size, so if the crosshair is covering up what you're aiming at when set to 4x you can turn up to 16x and see the situation better.

Compromise...always a compromise!
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