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 Re: Can we admit...
[Re: jshouse]
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01/28/16 05:58 PM
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How did I miss the thread where you killed this deer? link anyone?
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Re: Can we admit...
[Re: TFF Caribou]
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01/28/16 06:11 PM
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I never got around to posting it  For some reason my phone has a problem uploading certain pics, it says it's missing a certificate or something, so it's a pain to post any. He was my first bow kill in early December.
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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/28/16 06:15 PM
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I'd say he is definitely mature Jshouse
4? 5? 6? 7? I try not to get that far into it. At 5 YO+ its a shooting kind of deer to me. Given the second pictures I would say old (oops I don't think I was supposed to guess), but that's making me put a number on it, all I would really say is shooter and the safety would click off 
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Re: Can we admit...
[Re: jshouse]
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01/28/16 06:23 PM
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/28/16 07:33 PM
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To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.www.NewHopeEquine.com - Health and Healing through Horses.
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Re: Can we admit...
[Re: rifleman]
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01/28/16 09:53 PM
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There, fixed it for you. He is dead. And he was quite old. Mature to post mature, probably 6.5-7.5. I don't remember the age so I am guessing again. Good old buck to take.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/28/16 10:08 PM
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I could give a rats rear end what a Deer age is. If I want to shoot it I shoot it. OH and I really don't care if it is so called "mature" or not.
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Re: Can we admit...
[Re: don k]
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01/28/16 10:18 PM
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I could give a rats rear end what a Deer age is. If I want to shoot it I shoot it. OH and I really don't care if it is so called "mature" or not. Might as well shoot whatever old timer since all you have to do is stock another buck inside your HF 
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Re: Can we admit...
[Re: TFF Caribou]
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01/28/16 10:31 PM
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I was leaning towards 7 on this buck until ol Rifleman mentioned this shed I found over the summer, and that it's the same buck...if it is, it's gotta be from 2011 or 2012, I don't see him falling from this to the 2014 pics. That is putting this buck at 9? 10? And that shed scored right around 78-80 as it sits. The point of this was that we thought he was 6 or 7 tops and that he looked better this year than last, very healthy looking and very active during the rut...I've been red lighting a few deer I thought were 4 or 5 now thinking that they might be a few years older than we thought.   the g2s 
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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/28/16 11:00 PM
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Nice deer jshouse. I studied hard this year learning and reading judging fundamentals and found myself getting close on aging live deer. The deer I took this year was 6.5 and I was thinking he was 5.5. Always more rewarding when the deer is older than previously thought.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/28/16 11:01 PM
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Far from an exact science. It is everybody's best guess until they are DRT. Even then the only way to know for sure is having it lab tested. Tooth wear is a guess as well, but more accurate than other methods. Of course if you have alot of years of pics that is the next best thing to the lab. I agree the simplest way to manage age classes is immature, middle aged, mature.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/28/16 11:17 PM
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Sometimes the guys most obsessed with aging and scoring have the least amount of fun on a deer lease. I am not of the crowd that likes to look at game camera pictures until 11pm saying "now that's an older deer". I love hunting, and I'm all for shooting mature deer and managing the place as much as possible, but that stuff bores the crap out of me. I'd rather sit around the campfire and solve the world's problems.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 12:17 AM
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I have found the best folks aging deer are so because they have been on a place for awhile and get to know the deer. They know what a 3,4,5 yo looks like because theu have followed the deer for 3,4, or 5 years. Then they know how to age deer on their place which make them better evaluating deer on other ranches.
Me, I suck at aging deer in the summer. I under/over guess unless I recgonize the deer from previous years.
I shot a deer in Boerne this year that I KNOW was 5.5 because I have pics of him from last 4 years - but I swear looking at him you would think he is 3.5yo, unless he was fluffed up.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 02:42 AM
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I was leaning towards 7 on this buck until ol Rifleman mentioned this shed I found over the summer, and that it's the same buck...if it is, it's gotta be from 2011 or 2012, I don't see him falling from this to the 2014 pics. That is putting this buck at 9? 10? And that shed scored right around 78-80 as it sits. The point of this was that we thought he was 6 or 7 tops and that he looked better this year than last, very healthy looking and very active during the rut...I've been red lighting a few deer I thought were 4 or 5 now thinking that they might be a few years older than we thought. the g2s I have the shed at 3.5yo, btw.
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Re: Can we admit...
[Re: rifleman]
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01/29/16 02:44 AM
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jshouse
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I was leaning towards 7 on this buck until ol Rifleman mentioned this shed I found over the summer, and that it's the same buck...if it is, it's gotta be from 2011 or 2012, I don't see him falling from this to the 2014 pics. That is putting this buck at 9? 10? And that shed scored right around 78-80 as it sits. The point of this was that we thought he was 6 or 7 tops and that he looked better this year than last, very healthy looking and very active during the rut...I've been red lighting a few deer I thought were 4 or 5 now thinking that they might be a few years older than we thought. the g2s I have the shed at 3.5yo, btw. He was megafawn. I just noticed my wrinkled up thumb...wth? I don't have wrinkle thumb I swear..
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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 02:52 AM
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rifleman
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..like a shar pei with a thumbnail
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 02:54 AM
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That thumb is from a post mature deer hunter for sure....
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 03:13 AM
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Yoda thumb. I'd get that looked at.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 02:32 PM
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jshouse
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haha well I'd like to say it was loose skin from being rutted down, but, no.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/29/16 08:43 PM
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I know I'm not good at it. However, even the send in the teeth method is only about 70% accurate so unless you know the deer from fawn to fertilizer you don't really know for sure.
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/30/16 01:55 PM
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I'm sure this opinion will not sit well with some.....
hence the reason you gave it  Exactly... If you can't age Deer you need to be in the field more...
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Re: Can we admit...
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01/30/16 02:23 PM
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I can't do it with any accuracy. I don't want to offend (because many are my friends and/or people I respect) - but I don't think anyone can "on the hoof" with any deer older than 2 1/2 unless they know the particular deer's history.
I have had several noted taxidermists and game biologists tell me it is, at best, a guessing game. Some are better guessers than others, but even they are wrong much if the time. This is based on labratory ages compared with stated ages in their experience over the years.
A mature buck's "look" undergoes dramatic changes throughout the year and from year to year based on a myriad of factors. Which is all the "on the hoof" guys have to go on if the deer's history is not known.
I'm sure this opinion will not sit well with some..... If a game biologist can't age a deer above 2.5 with out history he will be unemployed. You probably misunderstood him Now if you want to say + 5.5 is a guess with out history I would agree. Very tough segment and where deer tend to separate and break the norms. But -5.5 it's pretty standard
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Re: Can we admit...
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02/02/16 02:03 AM
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For those of you who struggle with age, just try to start with putting them in 3 categories, immature, mature, post mature. After you get comfortable with that then you can start trying to break it down more precisely. There is no substitute for being able to watch as many bucks as possible during all phases of the hunting season. Some of us have been very pleased to watched 50-100+ different bucks each year for decades.
Let'em grow old
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Re: Can we admit...
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02/02/16 02:22 AM
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There's really no substitution for having history on individual deer though. See too many variations in how deer look within the same age class on known bucks.
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