Hello all, I have this a question this may sound like a stupid question but I'll ask anyway. I want to buy a .300 Blackout upper to use for deer and hog hunting next year, Now here is my dumb question, if i buy the upper online, does it ship to the house or will the upper have to be sent to a ffl license dealer. I think I know the answer but was just checking, I plan on buying the upper from radical firearms. I just wanted to see what as the process on buying the upper. Thanks for any and all info.

No ffl required

jeff, thank you for the responce. That's what I thought but wasn't sure.

Yep. Every part of the rifle except the lower receiver can be shipped to your door.

Thank you for the reply, that's good to know.

Yes, no ffl needed. And when you need good 300 blk out ammo, give me a buzz.

http://dallasreloads.com/product-category/300-black-out/

thats true, he makes good boolits! Chad, your over your PM limit

Hey Destroyer, my 2 cents on the caliber without starting a bunch of debate: Just a side note to the shipping scenario.... but,

I was exactly where you are two weeks ago, looking at a radical upper 300 blk out for 239.00 to put on my lower for Deer/Hog hunting.

I did some research and talk and posts about 300 blk out for Deer. I personally did not feel comfortable at over 100 yds with the BO for Deer. With hogs, who cares just shoot them in the ear hole.

I think Im going with a 6.8 for my lower, which will bring my range to 200 comfortably.

My opinion....I could be wrong, I have been wrong before and will be again....

I've hunted with the 300 blk out for the last 3 years. I've taken critters up to 245 yards with it. The limit on the blk out, like most calibers, would be how effective the shooter is on getting a bullet on target. A 125 grain bullet from a blk out is more than adequate for any Texas game. I think the blk out is a great caliber for Texas. With the blk out being offered in many compact rifles, I think it's a great choice.

Chad,

Do you know the energy of a 300 blk out for 150 and 200 yards for 125 grain bullet. I have read to keep it over 1000.

I went to 300 black talk at the hunting section, and all the deer taken were very small, unless shot within 50 yards.

Thanks...........

I've killed a hog with a 300blk at 175 yards, DRT. It's plenty for Texas deer within 200 yards.

I do. I copied a trajectory chart below of the 125 SST out of my 300 blk out Rem 700 bolt gun shooting suppressed. The 125 SST is running right at 2350 fps. If you go by the 1000 ft lb rule, you're good to about 170 yards with my set up. But you can't say that at 170 yards and in this is the effective range of the round. I'm more interested in the capability of the round. Even at 260 yards, you are carrying 800 ft lbs of energy. This is plenty of energy for Texas game and still be very effective. After all, you are punching a .308 caliber hole with a good bullet that will expand and penetrate very well.

I shot a crow on a tree limb at a lasered 245 yards with a 1.4 mil elevation hold and about a .2-.3 wind hold. (I was bored and about to get out of the stand from a morning hunt!) I have taken multiple deer, several coyotes, and a couple of pigs with the 125 and 150 BT, 125 SST, and 115 Berger loads in the 3 years I have been hunting with the blk out. Most everything I shot was DRT, and only a few traveled more than a few steps. I had a big pig go about 40 yards and pile up when I shot the 150 grain Nosler BT, which does not expand much at the blk out speeds. The 110-125 grain bullets is the most effective hunting weight bullets I have seen when shooting the blk out.

The energy is important of a round, but not the deciding factor. Shot placement is the #1 factor, IMO. The 300 blk out has almost no recoil and is found with compact 16" barrels (or shorter). This makes it a very easy round to shoot well, which is, IMO, more important than having a large magnum round that might be shot poorly.

Range Velocity Energy Elev
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (mil)
0 2350 1532.7 ---
20 2295.5 1462.5 -0.91
40 2241.9 1395 -0.04
60 2188.7 1329.6 0.12
80 2136.1 1266.4 0.1
100 2084.2 1205.6 0
120 2033 1147.2 -0.14
140 1982.6 1091 -0.31
160 1933 1037 -0.5
180 1884.2 985.3 -0.71
200 1836.2 935.8 -0.93
220 1789.1 888.4 -1.16
240 1742.9 843.1 -1.41
260 1697.5 799.8 -1.66
280 1653.1 758.4 -1.93
300 1609.6 719 -2.22
320 1567 681.5 -2.51
340 1525.6 646 -2.82
360 1485.3 612.3 -3.14
380 1446.2 580.4 -3.47
400 1408.3 550.4 -3.81
420 1371.8 522.3 -4.18
440 1336.7 495.9 -4.55
460 1303.2 471.3 -4.94
480 1271.1 448.4 -5.35
500 1240.5 427.1 -5.77

Yep, I dropped an almost 300 lb hog like a bad habit a few weeks ago at 150 yards with my 300 BO, he didn't even take a step. I'd have no problem shooting at deer up to at least 200 yards.

Thanks for the chart.

Non suppressed the same?

Where do you shoot hogs? Head?

I may start looking at 300 BO again.

Suppressed or non-suppressed doesn't matter as long as you are using full powered super sonic ammo. The Hog I shot at 175 yards was behind the shoulder. I've also shot several big red deer with the 300blk from ranges of 50-150 yards and never had one move more than a few steps before tumbling.

I would not hesitate to shoot a deer at 200 yards with it and I think you would be fine out to 300 yards assuming you can put the bullet where it needs to be.

The guys in my deer camp chuckled when the asked and I showed them my 16" 300 blk out as my main hunting rifle. I think the blk out is a hidden treasure that most will never find. It acts like Thor's hammer on everything I've shot with the 110-125 grain bullets.

I aim for the head shot on a pig, if I have a calm hog. The last few I have shot has been running (during the day) or at night with my thermal scope, all were shoulder shots. All same result.

You will gain about 75 fps from the AR velocities in a bolt gun. You will also pick up about 20-40 fps shooting suppressed (for AR and bolt gun).

+1 and I'll be trying your 125 Nosler loads this weekend. I'm pretty sure my sounder of hogs is about to learn a hard lesson.

I've started either neck or ear shooting pigs. They are DRT so no tracking at all.

Thanks for the info.

Glad to see someone NOT run down the 300BO.

These conversations are always interesting. Can you kill a pig at 300 yards with a 300 BO? Of course you can. You can also kill a pig at 300 yards with a .223. That doesn't make it the best, or even a good choice for the job.

The fact is, if you are looking for a hunting caliber in the AR-15 platform and do not plan to shoot suppressed, there are better choices. This is a fact if you look at the numbers, and I don't know how this has even become a discussion. Why anyone would build a standard 16" AR specifically for hunting and choose the BO as the caliber is beyond reason. Seems to be 100% based on marketing and groupthink. You didn't see anybody talking about shooting pigs at 250-300 yards back when it was called the 300 whisper. AAC gets ahold of it, gives it a tacticool name, and now it's a hog hammer!

Please keep in mind that the chart Chad provided is for a suppressed bolt gun, which by his own numbers in his later post shoots a minimum of 100 FPS faster than an AR. Combine that with the fact that I'm sure he's shooting custom loaded Ammo (since that is what he does), and you have a very misleading chart for the average guy looking to by a 16" BO upper and shoot without a can.

The reality for 125 grain factory Ammo and a 16" AR is that you will get 2100-2200 FPS at the muzzle, and will drop below 1000 ft-lbs right around 100 yards.

With a 6.5 Grendell and a 123 grain projectile, for example, you are over 1000 ft-lbs to nearly 400 yards, and are around 1500 ft-lbs at 100 out of the same length 16" barrel in an AR. BO doesn't come close to measuring up. The BO is great for its intended purpose, suppressed and/or SBR shooting, but don't try to turn it in to something that it's not.

I shoot the same exact 125 SST and 125 BT ammo that I sell on my website. I normally pull a small box from my ammo run (about 20-30 rounds) and throw it in my hunting pack. If it's not good enough to sell, then I wouldn't shoot it. It's a great load. I also run a different powder than what most do to get the speeds up a little higher. The 125 grain bullets run 2230 fps in a 16" AR suppressed. I have had several customers tell me they were getting 2250-2260 in their AR's. So the 2230-2250 is a legitimate fps in an AR.

There will always be a larger/bigger round available to hunt with. Everything is a compromise in shooting. I want a smaller round with lower recoil that will get the job done. I don't need a big boomer round. The second to last weekend of doe season I shot a crow at 245 yards, lasered. If I can hit a crow at 245, a deer or pig should be easily doable. And the round will be very effective, even at that distance. I'm not interested in "what the internet says". I'm interested in what potential a round is capable of. If the 300 blk out did not perform on animals the first year I used it, then I would have gone to something else. But I've been running it now for at least the last 3 years, if not 4. I have my Rem 700 bolt gun in 300 blk out, and I run my blk out AR at night with my thermal scope. I can't think of a better, more powerful, cost effective round fired out of the AR-15 platform than a 300 blk out. (Sure, there's the higher cost 6.5 Grendel, which is great, and the lower cost 223, but the 223 is lacking in power and penetration for my use)

I'm sure my buddies 7 mag is a "better" choice for killing deer than my 7x57, both work fine though.

And looking at the numbers, 6.5 Creedmore is a lot better than the 6.5 Grendel. And the 7mm mag is better than the 6.5 Creed. You are playing a numbers game and there's tons of calibers that are better on paper. Most hunts in the parts of Texas that I hunt are MAYBE a 200 yard max shot, most are 150 or less. That's all the shooting lanes are cut and you can't see through the trees. So a 300 blk for that works just fine. Never had a problem killing with my 300 blk in the real world.

I sure will keep you in mind thanks.