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#6151819 - 01/24/16 10:46 AM Becoming a 'group size' snob
603Country Offline
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so, yesterday I was shooting some reloads in the 260, trying to find the best load of R17 behind the 120 gr Nosler BT. The load that the previous rifle liked was decent, but the next one I tried (42.9 gr) put 3 in one hole and two just outside. Looking through the glass, I wasn't that pleased with the group. I took a stroll down to the target and measured the group, which turned out to be 1/2 inch center to center. There was a time that I'd have been thrilled with that size group. Now though, I was thinking that if I'd done my part they'd all be in that hole. I think my expectations are becoming unrealistic. 30 years ago, a 1 inch round group would have had me excited.

Ya'll are just as bad as I am, and some are worse. And I'll try that load again on Monday.

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#6151845 - 01/24/16 11:15 AM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
RiverRider Offline
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Registered: 11/11/07
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That's just the human condition, 603. We always want more and better, never satisfied. It's a good thing, really, but there can be "too much of a good thing."
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#6151928 - 01/24/16 12:15 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
drycreek3189 Offline
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Registered: 04/23/15
Posts: 102
Loc: Troup, Texas
As for myself, being a hunter, and not a target shooter, a 1" group is still plenty good enough for me. I can understand how a target shooter would think such groups not quite good enough though.

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#6151943 - 01/24/16 12:30 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
Txhillbilly Offline
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Registered: 08/14/15
Posts: 439
Loc: Johnson County
I used to grin ear to ear when I shot under 1/2 moa groups, now a days they seem pretty big. The best that I've ever shot was a .122" 5 shot at 100 yards with the 6.5 Creedmoor that I built. That rifle has ruined me!

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#6151945 - 01/24/16 12:31 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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This line of thinking is a form of ambition, in my opinion. Striving for perfection with your loading and your shooting can create nothing but improvement. Weather you are a P.R.S. competitor, an F-class competitor, or a bech-rester, and also a hunter, it produces more hits, and less misses. You are eliminating problems with your equipment as well as becoming a better shooter for it.
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#6151956 - 01/24/16 12:40 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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Heck, I'm really just a hunter that has maybe gotten to be a little too picky of a handloader. It sort of sneaks up on a fellow. One day you're just loading ammo for hunting and before you know it, you're worrying over uniforming flash holes and turning necks. And then your barrel isn't good enough and the lugs need lapping. And on and on it goes. But, I can't say that I don't enjoy it. And maybe tomorrow I will put all 5 into one hole. And I'll tell my wife all about it. And she has no idea what I'm talking about and could care less, and she'll say "we could use one more pig for the freezer". Oh well...

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#6151964 - 01/24/16 12:47 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
603Country Offline
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I think I'll know when this shooting and hand loading really is out of control. There'll come a day when the pig or coyote is out there at 200 yards and I'll sneak out of my blind and low crawl 300 yards in the OTHER direction to make the shot challenging. And ya know...there's probably somebody on this forum that's actually done that. They need to confess...

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#6151967 - 01/24/16 12:51 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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Same exact road so many of us have walked down.

Hunter
Hunter desires more precision and/ or the ability to make kill shots farther away.
Become a hand loader to control the ammo and tune it to the rifle.
Learns more precision can be achieved.
Upgrades loading equipment
Upgrades scope
Upgrades rifle barrel
Precise ammo and shooting does improve.
Can I get even tighter shooting?

Like the heroine addict constantly chasing the dragon.
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#6152016 - 01/24/16 01:26 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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The first attraction I had for handloading was the reputed savings, when I was about nine years old. The process just seemed tedious to me at the time. After the glow of "cheap" ammo wore off and I saw the accuracy potential I became more interested in how that was done.

I suppose I'm a fair shot and a so-so hunter. I like to take care of what might be holding a rifle back, short of pouring a paycheck into it. I don't care to measure bullets, but I'll take steps to achieve some consistency in my handloads. But what really drives me is trying to understand the things in handloading that work and WHY they work. For me it's not so much doing it as it is understanding it.

Everybody's approach is probably as unique as their own DNA.
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God I am hating caliber threads more and more

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#6152700 - 01/24/16 07:20 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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The other day I was gearing up to head to the range and casually mentioned to the wife that I needed to pick up some ammo on the way. She about flipped and said "how on earth could you need ammo? you spend hours in the garage loading ammo". Then I had to explain that not all guns shoot the same ammo and that I dont load pistol ammo.

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#6152900 - 01/24/16 08:47 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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It happens, its like golf, always room for improvement. That challenege is why its addicting.
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#6153182 - 01/25/16 05:40 AM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
bobsumner Offline
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Registered: 09/03/13
Posts: 180
The journey is the pretty much the same for all pursuits.

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#6156077 - 01/26/16 02:51 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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Well, I guess being a picky handloader is good. I bumped the load of R17 to an even 43 grains of powder, and put 5 120 gr Nosler BT's into one hole. Ok, it was an enlarged hole, but still just one hole. That's good enough for me. And, even better, at 100 yards the POI of the 120's is the same as the 100's. Can't get much better than that. I bragged to my wife. She said "is that good?"

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#6156434 - 01/26/16 05:59 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 603Country]
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Keep at it, the world record for five shots at 100 yards is 0.0077"
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#6156453 - 01/26/16 06:10 PM Re: Becoming a 'group size' snob [Re: 5 Stand Dan]
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Originally Posted By: 5 Stand Dan
Keep at it, the world record for five shots at 100 yards is 0.0077"


agreed

I used to be happy with .25" group, until I put 5 shots in the same bullet hole for a size of 0" with my PPC

Was not a match but I was pretty happy, 1998 at Collin Co. Range. I retired that PPC and have not shot it since

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