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#6146304 - 01/21/16 08:43 AM Guide skills
Creekrunner Offline
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Registered: 10/19/12
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Loc: Bexar/Gillespie, hunt Terrell
There's a couple of threads going on about some poor hunts, or complete lack thereof, with guides. It got me to thinking about the skills of the guides that I've thoroughly enjoyed hunting with. And the ability to find game, i.e. "hunt", doesn't immediately pop up as the first trait.

Things like personality, sense of humor, and communication skills are what I think makes a guide great. Sadly, I think a lot of what steers a young man towards guiding in this country is the desire to "not take orders from nobody else," or not work for "the man." I just finished a duck hunt recently and the young man guiding us made us feel great every time we connected; lots of hooping and hollering. 'Not saying I need a cheerleader, just that you can see potential in this guy's future.

Most good professional hunters in Africa can do 21 days, pre-dawn to as late around the fire as the client requires, with some of the biggest sphincters on the planet, and they can smile and laugh the whole time.

What do you consider the best trait for a hunting guide to have?
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#6146331 - 01/21/16 08:55 AM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
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Personality and knowledge of where & what they're hunting.

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#6146332 - 01/21/16 08:55 AM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
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I guided hunters for many years. Had a lot of repeat customers.

What made me successful at it was my personality. I had guys from all walks of life from farmers to bankers to equipment operations to sales guys and even a lobbyist for the Democratic Party

They want to be entertained; tell them stories, educate them on local customs, lore and flora/fauna. B.S with them, drink with them, etc.

The older I got the less I enjoyed the time away from home and it reflected I'm my personality but for several years I really enjoyed it and it carried over to the field.
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#6146369 - 01/21/16 09:12 AM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
Sneaky Offline
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I agree with personality. I've had guides that were quite dull, and I just didn't feel all that welcome on the hunt. Like I was a burden instead of a customer. The ones that act more like a hunting buddy than a kid doing chores were much more enjoyable to hunt with.
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#6146375 - 01/21/16 09:16 AM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
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Registered: 01/11/09
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Loc: Germany
I agree with personality, but I also have to add good manners into the mix; a man who knows how to be a gentleman around the ladies and kids.
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#6146481 - 01/21/16 10:09 AM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
OffCoor1 Offline
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Registered: 09/12/13
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Loc: Archer County
Good stuff right here !! I hope this thread keeps growing !! up

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#6146799 - 01/21/16 12:44 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: OffCoor1]
nyalubwe Offline
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Registered: 12/10/15
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Loc: Montana
Good communicative skills, honesty, and professionalism.

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#6146819 - 01/21/16 12:50 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
Personality and knowledge of where & what they're hunting.


This. I think both are paramount. Plus please remember I can get there but maybe not as quickly as your 22 year old mountain-bred self - so a little patience is nice. smile
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#6146863 - 01/21/16 01:10 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
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Respect and courtesy.

A desire to succeed.

Experience that shows. up
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#6146931 - 01/21/16 01:42 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
dkershen Offline


Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 15139
Loc: Denton/Argyle
The best guides I've hunted with treated me like an old friend set on educating me on the quarry at hand. So that's what I try to take to the field when I guide.
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#6146952 - 01/21/16 01:49 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
Rob Lay Offline
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Registered: 02/21/10
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Loc: Southlake, TX
I've hunted with about 50 guides and have had great experiences with most. I had my worst experience yet with one of the most expensive and reputable outfitters here in Texas last fall. I still think the outfitter is good and the owner successfully guided me on a different hunt, but this guide was the worst ever. Not Mulie Mike! Mike is one of the best outfitters I've ever worked with and all his guides have been great.

On a Texas Elk hunt:

1) guide had leg and balance problems couldn't walk to car, much less through brush well.

2) guide had poor eyesight - I have decent game eyes, but use to good guides seeing about 3x of what I see. The first 5 Elk I spotted first and then had a terrible time pointing them out to guide. I would have to set his binoculars on tripod focused directly on the bull before he could see.

3) guide had terrible hearing - I finally gave up trying to even have a conversation in the truck because he would act like he knew what I was saying, but answers were always completely off what I asked or said. several times I heard bugling that he couldn't hear.

4) guide had terrible decision making - he wanted to be set and call in a bull, the bull took a look at us 400 yards, but locked up, no way that bull was coming any closer. he kept trying over and over to call him for 30 minutes and finally I said, we have to make a move or we'll lose that bull. we were within a minute of getting a 200 yard shot on this 300+ bull, but then it went a ravine never to be seen again.

5) finally the first bull he saw was the big 350+ 100 yards off the road, after I drew blood I followed the bull on foot where the bull held up. I was just about ready to put the kill shot when I look back and guide is driving across the brush right to us! I did everything I could to tell him to stop, but he kept going and bull went back into brush no shot.

6) I knew at this point guides abilities, so after giving bull about 30 minutes and we knew he was in this brush I told him to watch the right side while I tried to find him. we never saw bull again, but hours later when we picked blood trail up, sure enough it had gone out the exact place I had told him to watch.

we spent 2 days trying to find that bull, but never did. Cost me $8k for drawing blood.

I believe at one time this guide was OK, but the outfitter hasn't kept up with guides health and I also think guide is a good BS'er with not only the hunters, but the owner.
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#6146984 - 01/21/16 02:02 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
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Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 15139
Loc: Denton/Argyle
Wow Rob. I would have locked that guide in the truck half way through that trip and
DIY'd the rest of the hunt. And the owner would have gotten an ear full.
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#6147153 - 01/21/16 03:20 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
Erny Offline
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Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 1582
Loc: Smith County
The worst quide I have ever had was a young PH with a very well known reputable safari company. He was rude, condescending and sarcastic though out the whole safari. It got so bad I called the safari short and requested we be taken back to the hotel in town. The only redeming factor was he was a very very good hunter and was able to get me in shooting range of some remarkable trophies.

I complained to the safari companies owner and he was profusely apologetic and offered to comp my next safari. I did not take him up on the offer. I mean if you know one of your guides is a problem why are you keeping him as an employee.

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#6147213 - 01/21/16 03:53 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: dkershen]
Rob Lay Offline
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Registered: 02/21/10
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Loc: Southlake, TX
Originally Posted By: dkershen
Wow Rob. I would have locked that guide in the truck half way through that trip and
DIY'd the rest of the hunt. And the owner would have gotten an ear full.


I weighed that hard, I wanted to, but in my wise older years decided it was best to play nice as was still a chance for recovery as offered finders fee to ranch manager and owner of outfit was doing helicopter survey a couple weeks later. They never found the Elk. Considering the guide had worked for him 20+ years and that was only my 2nd trip, figured I had no collateral to complain while his old guide had all the collateral in the world. Just a terrible situation and unfortunately there will be many more of their clients burned the coming years on $8k Elk and $6k Mule Deer hunts.

experience is good, but I've had better luck with younger guides if they have the love of hunting. only young guides I didn't like just didn't have the thirst for hunting, they were just going through motions for check. your guide needs to get "mad at them". older guides seem to be more talk and less walk, likely to be gruff, not as mad at them anymore, and take shortcuts where they can.
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#6147394 - 01/21/16 05:30 PM Re: Guide skills [Re: Creekrunner]
Creekrunner Offline
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Registered: 10/19/12
Posts: 7160
Loc: Bexar/Gillespie, hunt Terrell
I've done two horseback elk hunts with the same outfitter out of Bozeman. The second time the owner himself was my guide. The day before the season started his wife (who organized all the details of all the hunts - cooks, supplies, etc.) ran off with his lead guide. He was already a cantankerous man before that. This just made him a regular "peach". He liked me, so we got along, but he ripped a couple of fast talking clients a new one. He too couldn't see too well and was hard of hearing. I got respectable 6X6s both times, but I spotted the bull each time. (The first time the 21 year old guide was so hung over he didn't see the three bulls we were riding by on an open hillside at 60 yards.) grin
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