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Shooting Gongs
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01/17/16 04:09 AM
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Wild Hog
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I'm looking to buy some gongs for a range I'm wanting to build. I will be shooting my rifle's from 22lr up to 243 and pistol's 9mm, 38, & 357. Can I buy the 1/2" plates and be O.K. for everything. What is the closest distance I can safely shoot from and should I be concerned with ricochet.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
[Re: Wild Hog]
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01/17/16 04:56 AM
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1/2" you would be fine with all. But the 22lr will ricochet a lot within 50 yards or closer. 3/8 will work for everything but the 243. I have my range set up with a 3/8 at 8 and 15 then 1/2 at 80. Pistols is best st 3/8 and rifles are best at 1/2. Best option is to research ar500 steel they have charts on safe ranges and calibers.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
[Re: Wild Hog]
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01/17/16 05:02 AM
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O.K. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/17/16 05:50 AM
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Been researching this lately & this is what I've read on almost all steel target websites. With AR500 3/8", from 15+ yds w/pistols (except rifle caliber pistols, .500, etc.), 100yds+ non-magnums & 200yds+ for magnums you will be fine. If you'll be shooting .50 or weird pistol calibers you'll want 1/2". They recommend no FMJ, no armor piercing, no shotgun steel shot. Buy AR500 that's been cut w/a water jet because the heat from plasma & other devices weaken the steel. If it gets dented, throw it away. Use both sides as to not cave one side in so quickly. Eye protection always recommended.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
[Re: Wild Hog]
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01/17/16 01:43 PM
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So far in the year I've been shooting the 3/8 I've had an issue with ricochet only shooting 22lr. They will definitely get dented shooting fmj at them but I can't afford to only shoot soft points or hollow points.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
[Re: Wild Hog]
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01/17/16 01:52 PM
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This is my set up, closest is 3/8 at about 8 then 3/8 at about 15 then 1/2 around 80 yards. No problems with normal pistol calibers on all three at these distances. Only shoot my rifles at the 1/2 and no problems.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/17/16 09:21 PM
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Ramball36
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3/8" AR plate will handle .243, .308, 30-06, any big rifle caliber except a .338 Lapua. The small fast rounds (3,000 FPS+) are what eats them up.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/18/16 01:14 PM
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I don't see the big need for AR. I just use mild steel and if gets too shot up to shoot any more, I just replace it. Its just scrap pieces. Hasn't happened yet tho.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/18/16 03:28 PM
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been thinkin about building some myself... do yall's hang evenly perpendicular? Would a slight angle forward help direct ricochet down?
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/19/16 09:28 PM
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Wear glasses 100% of the time, never without. Bullets will come back. AR 500 is the only way to go. Yes, angle your targets! There is a easy design that fits on a tee post. If you weld? Also build a berm--or have a butt load of land. A bullet glancing off could cost you your farm.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/20/16 03:16 AM
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We shoot a lot of steel. For pistols, we've gone to AR500 1/4" and love it. Holds up very well and the ding sound is better than the 3/8". We shoot 22lr up to .45 ACP. This is where I'm getting the steel... http://shootsteel.com shootsteel
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/23/16 12:11 AM
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3/8" AR plate will handle .243, .308, 30-06, any big rifle caliber except a .338 Lapua. The small fast rounds (3,000 FPS+) are what eats them up. This. We use 3/8 AR500 for everything from 22 LR to 500 S&W, and 50 BMG and everything in between. Only two things tear it up. 223 up close, especially FMJ and 50 BMG. The 223 ( at less than 100) potmarks the surface and the 50 BMG dents the hell out of it.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/23/16 01:02 AM
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yup. like the ar500. it works welll
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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01/27/16 01:14 PM
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I don't see the big need for AR. I just use mild steel and if gets too shot up to shoot any more, I just replace it. Its just scrap pieces. Hasn't happened yet tho. I have used regular steel at long distances too pat, but it's a lot safer to shoot the ar plate closer. We shoot pistols at them at 5-10 yds and with them angled down 20 degrees we get no fragments coming back our way...
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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02/03/16 02:07 AM
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What makes AR a lot safer to shoot up close?
I have a source for free 12ga, 1/4" and 3/8" mild steel so I've been using it for higher energy rounds. I had the feeling that blowing holes through the plates was absorbing the bulk of the bullet energy - as opposed to deflecting it. I tend to use wood for lower energy rounds including .22lr, .38 special and 9mm.
I am not challenging your statement, I am wanting to learn where my instincts are wrong.
Marc
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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02/03/16 03:57 PM
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Five guys with pistols shooting replaceable steel does not work. You'll be replacing a lot of steel or wood targets. One guy shooting every blue moon; never matters.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
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02/03/16 09:14 PM
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Ramball36
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What makes AR a lot safer to shoot up close?
I have a source for free 12ga, 1/4" and 3/8" mild steel so I've been using it for higher energy rounds. I had the feeling that blowing holes through the plates was absorbing the bulk of the bullet energy - as opposed to deflecting it. I tend to use wood for lower energy rounds including .22lr, .38 special and 9mm.
I am not challenging your statement, I am wanting to learn where my instincts are wrong.
Marc The AR plate stays completely flat, so as long as the plate is angled downward slightly, 99% of the bullet spatter goes into the ground. With mild steel the bullets hit the craters and can come back at you. I've shot AR plate at 7 yards before with a pistol and never got anything coming back my way. Also noticed the comment about them having to be waterjet to not anneal the edges. I'll look for the link, but a plasma cut plate is only compromised something like .1" in from the cut, not really enough to make a difference.
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Re: Shooting Gongs
[Re: Wild Hog]
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02/03/16 09:20 PM
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Correction, .006" to .01" inside the cut is what gets compromised by a plasma per jim colt of hypertherm.
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