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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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How far was the 162amax kill?
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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I had a 1-8 twist Swift for a while, and that was bad medicine for coyotes with the 75 AMAX. Like others have said, not the bullet I would choose for big game, but deer size and down I have no problem with an AMAX at all.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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I know you know how to shoot and can shoot and load circles around me, but that second doe aint nothing to brag about to me in shot placement or bullet performance imho. Its dead that's all I get from it. You are right and wrong at the same time. Shot placement was perfect had she been perfectly broad side. But since her hip was quartering away slightly, I should have shot closer to the elbow, or gone through a shoulder. How was bullet performance bad? A 7mm entry, and a three inch exit. Are you just saying that because I wasn't using a Nosler Partition?
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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How far was the 162amax kill? All of those are 7mm, 162 gr. A-Max. Neck shots 97 yards, and 115 yards, vitals shot 225 yards.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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I know you know how to shoot and can shoot and load circles around me, but that second doe aint nothing to brag about to me in shot placement or bullet performance imho. Its dead that's all I get from it. You are right and wrong at the same time. Shot placement was perfect had she been perfectly broad side. But since her hip was quartering away slightly, I should have shot closer to the elbow, or gone through a shoulder. How was bullet performance bad? A 7mm entry, and a three inch exit. Are you just saying that because I wasn't using a Nosler Partition? Just my thoughts from the outside looking in, I didn't poke my finger in the bullet hole, but I assume that bullet wasn't moving fast at all and probably didn't hit much in the way of resistance/bone and left a 3 inch exit as you say. If you would have hit shoulder no telling what it would do or at least I have no experience with them, what do they typically do if you put one into the shoulder? I don't follow the dump all the energy into the animal and no exit theory, I hunt heavy brush and 3-6 foot tall grass, I want something to produce a blood trail. By no means am I saying they don't/wont work, ive killed plenty of deer with a 223 and 55 grain v-max and 45 grain hp's.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Have shot a few critters with A-Max bullets and they work about like I expected from having shot lots with the older Nosler Ballistic Tips in hunting weight bullets. Both are basically cup and core bullets with a hollow point filled with a poly carbonate tip. They will behave much like a soft point cup and core bullet. The faster the impact velocity the faster they will expand and come apart. On game the size of out Texas deer they will work fine but might be more destructive than some would like on meat shots.
Fireman that was certainly a kill shot on all those deer obsessively but I would have much rather field dressed 2 of them over the other. very little meat damage from any of those shots though.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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I know you know how to shoot and can shoot and load circles around me, but that second doe aint nothing to brag about to me in shot placement or bullet performance imho. Its dead that's all I get from it. You are right and wrong at the same time. Shot placement was perfect had she been perfectly broad side. But since her hip was quartering away slightly, I should have shot closer to the elbow, or gone through a shoulder. How was bullet performance bad? A 7mm entry, and a three inch exit. Are you just saying that because I wasn't using a Nosler Partition? Just my thoughts from the outside looking in, I didn't poke my finger in the bullet hole, but I assume that bullet wasn't moving fast at all and probably didn't hit much in the way of resistance/bone and left a 3 inch exit as you say. If you would have hit shoulder no telling what it would do or at least I have no experience with them, what do they typically do if you put one into the shoulder? I don't follow the dump all the energy into the animal and no exit theory, I hunt heavy brush and 3-6 foot tall grass, I want something to produce a blood trail. By no means am I saying they don't/wont work, ive killed plenty of deer with a 223 and 55 grain v-max and 45 grain hp's. At 225 yards the bullet was 2318 fps, and delivered 1392 ft/lbs. If you want to call that "not moving fast at all" that is your prerogative. I've never hit the shoulder on a deer, I avoid the shoulder because I don't want to ruin the meat. It is a massive hit on a coyote though. You can not subscribe to the "dump all the energy" theory, especially since you are a die hard Partition man. But I will tell you that myself and many of my friends have piled up elk, Mule deer, whitetail and a host of smaller animals with A-maxes and Berger VLDs. It is difficult to argue with a pile of dead bodies in their wake.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Have shot a few critters with A-Max bullets and they work about like I expected from having shot lots with the older Nosler Ballistic Tips in hunting weight bullets. Both are basically cup and core bullets with a hollow point filled with a poly carbonate tip. They will behave much like a soft point cup and core bullet. The faster the impact velocity the faster they will expand and come apart. On game the size of out Texas deer they will work fine but might be more destructive than some would like on meat shots.
Fireman that was certainly a kill shot on all those deer obsessively but I would have much rather field dressed 2 of them over the other. very little meat damage from any of those shots though. The vitals hit deer had me saying "shoulda stuck with high neck shots". I cut off about two mouth fulls of jellied meat from the right shoulder. So yes, minimal meat damage, which is half the point of shooting does.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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How far was the 162amax kill? All of those are 7mm, 162 gr. A-Max. Neck shots 97 yards, and 115 yards, vitals shot 225 yards. you sure it wasn't 115.5 yards?
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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I shot a doe with the Grendel square in the shoulder socket. It blew right through it and dumped her where she stood. There was no exit, but I didn't really need a blood trail to track that one.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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They're working I thoroughly enjoy how Hornady tells us they aren't for huntjng, yet so many hunters have photos of fast, ethical kills with them. I personally wouldn't use one on large, heavy animals, but they have done a fine job on whitetail and smaller. I noticed this the other day while ordering ammo. I've never seen Hornady claim any Amax as a hunting bullet until I saw this. Possibly, they are referring to the SST, since they didn't specifically mention it in that paragraph, but that wouldn't make much sense to me. And you've got to figure that the 6.5 123 grain Amax is built like all the others, so....
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Sneaky, I have read that before as well. That 123gr A-Max works very well from the Grendel, then again it was "designed" for that cartridge.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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01/13/16 10:29 PM
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I have shot a few critters with the 162gr Amax and all but a very very large pig has nice 2-3.5" exit wounds at distances from 40yrs out to 520yds.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Sneaky, I have read that before as well. That 123gr A-Max works very well from the Grendel, then again it was "designed" for that cartridge.
I sure do like it.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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01/14/16 07:37 AM
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From what I've seen/experienced/read, AMAX does just fine for .308 velocities from ~100-500+yds on pigs(head shots), deer & goats/aoudad/sheep. It's when they are pushed faster, or closer, that they don't perform as expected for a 'hunting' bullet. It IS a trade-off of terminal ballistics vs. blood trail BUT when you have the proper terminal ballistics (totally gelled innards) then you won't need a blood trail. YMMV.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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285 amax 338 lm did well tonight on a doe
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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01/19/16 02:06 PM
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Friday evening I needed another meat doe, and conditions were perfect. I slipped out and used the 6.5 Creedmoor to put this girl down. Load was 140 AMAX with 42.3 of H-4350. MV about 2750 out of a 22" barrel. Range was 410 yards, she was slightly quartering to me, I dialed 1.8 MIL from a 100 yard zero. I hit her a touch high, she ran about 40 yards dead on her feet. Lungs were a mess, exit was behind the shoulder. Entry side in this picture: Exit in this picture:
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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410 on a doe with an A-Max beats my farthest on a deer by 150 yards. Thanks for sharing, the bullet did a fine job with fine shot placement.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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The shot wasn't much high, maybe 1.5"-2". That AMAX had no problem opening up, or going all the way through. I think about 200-600 is where that bullet is really in the zone. 600 IMO is about the limit for a Creedmoor as a hunting round anyways. Past that you really need more energy, and should step up to a bigger cartridge. Honestly at this point I limit myself to about 500 on game anyways. And for sure there are days I wouldn't try that either. But this evening it was nearly dead calm, uncommon up here on the plains. I was prone out in a wheat field, hiding behind a pivot tower tire. The doe was at our feeder by a fenceline (other side of the fence belongs to my sister-in-law, so no problem there). Calm target, zero wind, known dope. Pretty much just dial and shoot. Not a difficult shot with that rifle.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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We're on the exact same page!!!
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Friday evening I needed another meat doe, and conditions were perfect. I slipped out and used the 6.5 Creedmoor to put this girl down. Load was 140 AMAX with 42.3 of H-4350. MV about 2750 out of a 22" barrel. Range was 410 yards, she was slightly quartering to me, I dialed 1.8 MIL from a 100 yard zero. I hit her a touch high, she ran about 40 yards dead on her feet. Lungs were a mess, exit was behind the shoulder. Entry side in this picture: Exit in this picture: Right handed rifle w/a left handed stock pad/pouch?
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Yep, good catch.
I am right handed but left eye dominant. I have shot lefty my whole life, but we never had left handed rifles, so I made do. Now that I could actually afford one if I wanted one, I am to old to change. Plus my kids shoot righty anyways, and the rifles will go to them someday. If they are going to take one of "my" rifles out, they can just pop the stock pack off real quick.
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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285 amax 338 lm did well tonight on a doe Dang Daniel, did you have a grudge against that doe? I think maybe you need to move up to the 50 BMG...go big or go home! What was the range on that shot?
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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100 yards.. lol
couple days earlier i had doe stepping out at 250-300 yards.. this day she came out at 70 and i let her get to 100 yards then boom!
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Re: That dang A-max just keeps killing things.
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Im glad my meat doesn't go to the process or to get mixed with the likes of that. They are dead alright though.
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