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#6125185 - 01/08/16 06:59 AM Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All
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#6125192 - 01/08/16 07:10 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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It does sound like the guides were the main culprits though. Very light sentence - not much more than a speeding ticket. Which indicates the authorities feel that way also.
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#6125196 - 01/08/16 07:17 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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Maybe I watch too much law and order, but is it part of a deal?
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#6125199 - 01/08/16 07:21 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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And all the fellas that came to her defense saying it was bogas roflmao No new facts, other than a conviction..
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#6125209 - 01/08/16 07:29 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Maybe I watch too much law and order, but is it part of a deal?


Yes. She agreed to come back and testify/cooperate with investigation of the others looks like.
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#6125212 - 01/08/16 07:31 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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a minor mistake in my mind is the client shooting the wrong bear after guide says put another one in it. the major mistake is the guide and outfitter trying to cover it up with another tag.

just a side bar, but shooting a bear in Alaska for self defense is a major headache paperwork and all. the bullets better be in the front. most guides that have been through it will do everything possible not to shoot one. many experienced guides even let the bear charge because most of the time it is false charge or flyby.
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#6125249 - 01/08/16 07:58 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Maybe I watch too much law and order, but is it part of a deal?


Yes. She agreed to come back and testify/cooperate with investigation of the others looks like.


So, did she roll State's witness?

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#6125261 - 01/08/16 08:06 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Maybe I watch too much law and order, but is it part of a deal?


Yes. She agreed to come back and testify/cooperate with investigation of the others looks like.


So, did she roll State's witness?


That's what it looks like. Which seems fair since it appears the shooting an extra bear was an accident the guides led her down the "backdated tag" path. I'm not excusing her but it takes a lot of backbone to buck guides. Most won't do it.
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#6125289 - 01/08/16 08:20 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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Most won't do it.


Unless they are copping pleas. I am guessing the didn't do it out of backbone, but out of saving her own bacon.
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#6125294 - 01/08/16 08:21 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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Tough call but stand up guides wouldn't have handled it that way.

Was in a deer camp once when a youth being guided did exactly the same thing in a one buck county. Was told to put another one in the buck he'd just shot. When the smoke cleared the young man had killed 2 by accident. The guided and ranch manager took full responsibility and didn't blame the youth once. They called the warden and met him at the gate to explain. I left camp shortly after but when I passed them the warden had the book out writing what looked like citations. Guide and manager handled it correctly I thought.

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#6125363 - 01/08/16 08:50 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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talking about Alaska and BIG guide mistakes. My outfitter last year decades ago had a bad guide have client shoot a ewe Sheep thinking it was a Mountain Goat. they didn't come down on Outfitter at all, just the guide.
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#6125654 - 01/08/16 11:44 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: 8pointdrop]
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Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Tough call but stand up guides wouldn't have handled it that way.

Was in a deer camp once when a youth being guided did exactly the same thing in a one buck county. Was told to put another one in the buck he'd just shot. When the smoke cleared the young man had killed 2 by accident. The guided and ranch manager took full responsibility and didn't blame the youth once. They called the warden and met him at the gate to explain. I left camp shortly after but when I passed them the warden had the book out writing what looked like citations. Guide and manager handled it correctly I thought.


Stand-up guys, they handled it perfectly. up
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#6126534 - 01/08/16 09:30 PM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
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Most won't do it.


Unless they are copping pleas. I am guessing the didn't do it out of backbone, but out of saving her own bacon.


What I meant is most won't buck them when they are pushing you to do something shady - like backdate a tag. She didn't either.
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#6126711 - 01/09/16 02:04 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: DQ Kid]
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I think the state of Alaska wants the guides for something bigger than the story implies. I believe that with her cooperation they think they can seal a deal on the 2 guides.
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#6126842 - 01/09/16 08:18 AM Re: Apparently She was a Bit guilty After All [Re: dogcatcher]
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
I think the state of Alaska wants the guides for something bigger than the story implies. I believe that with her cooperation they think they can seal a deal on the 2 guides.


ahh, good thinking. where there is smoke there is fire.
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