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Fbi background checks for all

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What are you talking about?


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Obummer's Executive Order


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No doubt about the AR crap, just damn shame hunters don't have self control and knowledge


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What are you talking about?


Part of the eo. Official ruling is out

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BHO stated they are taking a closer look at those "hiding behind trusts & corporations"...


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What are you talking about?


How big is that rock you're typing from underneath?

If you have a trust for your NFA firearms I suggest you get with the lawyer who wrote yours up to see if it makes it difficult to add new items.

As it reads right now according to one of the lawyers is that all trustees must go through fingerprinting. I'll be making a new trust that has co-trustees that won't have the ability to manage and sell items but can possess.

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Re: 41p is official [Re: Dien] #6119981 01/05/16 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dien
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What are you talking about?


How big is that rock you're typing from underneath?

If you have a trust for your NFA firearms I suggest you get with the lawyer who wrote yours up to see if it makes it difficult to add new items.

As it reads right now according to one of the lawyers is that all trustees must go through fingerprinting. I'll be making a new trust that has co-trustees that won't have the ability to manage and sell items but can possess.



Not under a rock dude. I didn't know the numbers 41 and the letter p was attached to it.


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Re: 41p is official [Re: The Dude Abides] #6120003 01/05/16 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: TXGUNNER308
BHO stated they are taking a closer look at those "hiding behind trusts & corporations"...


I think final ruling by att was published this morning

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People, he's not "taking away" your guns. I haven't fully read exactly what the new "rules" will be exactly. But the summary of what I have read is ALL individuals will need to have a background check when buying a gun, known as the "gun show loop hole". Once the original person buys a firearm from a dealer (with a background check) and later wants to sell that firearm, the original buyer can sell it to whomever they want. The new buyer does not go through a background check. This new rule will require the new buyer to have a background check. I have never understood why (me as an 01 FFL dealer) must go through all this paperwork to be licensed and the purchaser have to get the background check, when once the firearm leaves the dealer, the firearm can go anywhere or sold to anyone, without a background check. Honestly, I'm for this. Think about that for a second. It's common sense. I may get flack for saying that, but it only makes sense for ANYONE buying a firearm to have the proper background check as the original buyer did. If you can not pass a common background check, or have been declared mentally unstable, then you probably should not have a gun. I'm a hard core Republican, and huge pro 2nd amendment, but there does need to be some common sense to ALL firearms transactions.

On the trust ruling, you can have criminals/felons (or someone who cannot pass a background check) currently on your trust. You can also have firearms and class 3 weapons (full auto and suppressors) in your trust that these criminals can legally possess (if not a felon) and have access to with the current law. Seriously, put some common sense to this.

Again, he's not taking away your guns! He's closing the gun show loop hole.


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I suspect the AR15s will start to show up in the classifieds any day now and all of a sudden they will all be 1500 dollar ARs

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Its an infringement of our second amendment rights.

Hows this gonna effect the THF classifieds?

No more gun sales?

Somebody is gonna make good money just running FBI background checks and the rest of us will pay.

This in no way has any effect on criminal gun use.


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
People, he's not "taking away" your guns. I haven't fully read exactly what the new "rules" will be exactly. But the summary of what I have read is ALL individuals will need to have a background check when buying a gun, known as the "gun show loop hole". Once the original person buys a firearm from a dealer (with a background check) and later wants to sell that firearm, the original buyer can sell it to whomever they want. The new buyer does not go through a background check. This new rule will require the new buyer to have a background check. I have never understood why (me as an 01 FFL dealer) must go through all this paperwork to be licensed and the purchaser have to get the background check, when once the firearm leaves the dealer, the firearm can go anywhere or sold to anyone, without a background check. Honestly, I'm for this. Think about that for a second. It's common sense. I may get flack for saying that, but it only makes sense for ANYONE buying a firearm to have the proper background check as the original buyer did. If you can not pass a common background check, or have been declared mentally unstable, then you probably should not have a gun. I'm a hard core Republican, and huge pro 2nd amendment, but there does need to be some common sense to ALL firearms transactions.

On the trust ruling, you can have criminals/felons (or someone who cannot pass a background check) currently on your trust. You can also have firearms and class 3 weapons (full auto and suppressors) in your trust that these criminals can legally possess (if not a felon) and have access to with the current law. Seriously, put some common sense to this.

Again, he's not taking away your guns! He's closing the gun show loop hole.

Even if you have a felon in your trust, it doesn't allow them legal access to it. They would still be a felon in possession of a firearm. I've had to fill out a 4473 every time I've bought something through my trust.


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Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.

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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
On the trust ruling, you can have criminals/felons (or someone who cannot pass a background check) currently on your trust. You can also have firearms and class 3 weapons (full auto and suppressors) in your trust that these criminals can legally possess (if not a felon) and have access to with the current law.


I think I said that.

But other people can have access and freedom of use of your class 3 weapons in the trust WITHOUT the background check, legally!!! I know of several shooters who have individuals in their trust that can not pass a NICS background check. But they still take possession of the firearms to go shoot. It has been laughed at and talked about many times with the current set up. So, you are saying that criminals or someone who has access to these types of weapons should be allowed to have access and shoot them?? Seriously!


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and finger prints and photos any time you want to add an NFA item to the trust from everyone on the trust ... when was the last time a LEGAL NFA item was used in a crime? its all sprinkles on a poop sandwhich

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The 2 rules above is what I am talking about. I'm not sure what else is inside the EO or what other restrictions are wanting to take place. But the closing of the gun show loop hole and trusts is a common sense thing. I have asked my ATF agents many times- "why do we go through all this paperwork and back ground checks, when once the firearm leaves the dealer, it can be sold and traded on the market so easily?"

Again, I'm pro 2nd Amendment. But how the system is currently set up, it makes no sense when looking at how guns are bought and traded, once they leave the dealer.


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I'm a Republican and 2nd amendment advocate. But I believe anyone buying a gun should have a background check. If you're not a law abiding citizen then you forfeit your gun rights. If you can't pass a background check because your a hot head or mentally unstable you dont deserve the ability to legally buy a gun.


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Originally Posted By: SapperTitan
I suspect the AR15s will start to show up in the classifieds any day now and all of a sudden they will all be 1500 dollar ARs


I actually hope that's true. I'd love to sell one of my crappy ar's to fund a nice tikka build.

Hide your kids! Obama is coming to take away your guns and freedom.


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The good thing about 41p is Cleo signature went away, now it's notification.

So to by an nfa item you submit finger prints and a picture and that's it.

What will be interesting is do you do finger prints every time or will it be streamlined?

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Originally Posted By: dogdown23
I'm a Republican and 2nd amendment advocate. But I believe anyone buying a gun should have a background check. If you're not a law abiding citizen then you forfeit your gun rights. If you can't pass a background check because your a hot head or mentally unstable you dont deserve the ability to legally buy a gun.


Yes! That's the American way. Guilty until proven innocent! Woohoo!!! Plus we all know that now that its illegal to buy a gun without a background check all the criminals will line up to go get one next time they purchase. What a great deal this is for law abiding Americans everywhere.

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The good thing about 41p is Cleo signature went away, now it's notification.

So to by an nfa item you submit finger prints and a picture and that's it.

What will be interesting is do you do finger prints every time or will it be streamlined?


my limited understanding is every one on the trust pics and fingerprints EVERYTIME ... along with the normal background check of the purchaser and tax stamp and wait.

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Right. Making something illegal will stop criminals from doing it.

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With the removal of the requirement for the CLEO approval, will NFA trusts serve a purpose for an individual?


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How can someone pro 2nd Amend and Republican go along with anything Obama does by EO because he can't get Congress to pass it?

What will he do next? Give him an inch and he'll take it all.

But yes, I agree there needs to be a way to control the flow of firearms to criminals. But this ain't going to stop them.

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Originally Posted By: 5 Stand Dan
With the removal of the requirement for the CLEO approval, will NFA trusts serve a purpose for an individual?


Only thing I can think of, in my situation, is that me being the only trustee of the trust I'm the only one that will have to submit the finger prints and photos and background check. But if something were to happen to me my wife is my beneficiary so the NFA items would be then passed onto her and she could either sell them or keep them and wouldn't have to repay the $200 tax stamp for each item. Not sure what happens to NFA items if you're buying it as an individual without a trust. If you die, do they just get forfeited and go to the ATF to be destroyed? Does a family member have a chance to have them passed down, but would still have to go through the registration process and pay $200 per item?


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