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 Howa Grendel
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From another site from LSI Legacy Sports International rep. Of course the prices listed are suggested retail The YOTE pattern is the only flavor in the predator hunting genre right now, Which will be available to some distributors and special orders. Current Stock colors are; Black, Green, Kryptek Highlander and Multicam. As soon as we get git in a steady supply of all proposed calibers we will more than likely be looking into different stocks. A couple of members have proposed modifying current stocks but im sorry its just not that easy. We have to pay a large chunk of money to have a new mold developed to any manufacturer and then test and modify. We do it right from the start, a ground up made to fit stock. Stocks arent something you can just modify to work and expect 100% perfect results. Bare with us, as these gain popularity there will be more stocks/mounts/bottom metals available. These are still in their infancy but the future looks VERY bright.  yes the prices are the same.
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Catalog # Caliber/Description Barrel Length & Contour Magazine Capacity Stock Color Length of Pull Overall Length Weight MSRP
HMA30602+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $652.00
HMA30603+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $652.00
HMA30602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $724.00
HMA30602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $724.00
HMA60602+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $608.00
HMA60603+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $608.00
HMA60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $681.00
HMA60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $681.00
HMA90622+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $681.00
HMA90623+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $681.00
HMA90622KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $753.00
HMA90622YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $753.00
package with nikko stirling panamax 3-9x40
HMP60602+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $753.00
HMP60603+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $753.00
HMP60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $826.00
HMP60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $826.00
HMP60602+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $724.00
HMP60603+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $724.00
HMP60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $797.00
HMP60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $797.00
HMP90622+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $782.00
HMP90623+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $782.00
HMP90622KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $855.00
HMP90622YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $855.00
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 05:32 AM
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I wonder if it will be offered in a barreled action?
"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 05:43 AM
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From what has been posted where those came from the barreled action will be an option
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 12:36 PM
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6.5 Grendel bolt sounds awesome! I absolutely love my 6.5G AR
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 12:48 PM
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Outstanding. This is perfect for anyone sensitive to recoil. I have killed a few deer with my AR Grendel, and I've been thoroughly pleased with it. I don't think you could beat it in a small framed rifle for kids.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 01:43 PM
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I don't think you could beat it in a small framed rifle for kids. Exactly my thinking. I'm gonna need to get one of these. How is the Howa action and trigger? I've never been near a Howa rifle.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 01:45 PM
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MINI ACTION!!!!!
I just saw that! Even shorter than a standard short action. Dear God that thing could be cycled about as fast a bolt action .22lr wirh a whole lot more oomph going down range!
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 02:19 PM
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If they'll make one with a length of pull around 12" or less, I'll buy one.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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12/31/15 06:06 PM
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How is the Howa action and trigger? I've never been near a Howa rifle.
Triggers are alright for a production gun. A few years ago they were pretty bad but competition in the market seems to have encouraged them to do better. Of course there is always Timiney if the stock trigger isn't good enough. After guiding youth hunts now for many years I also see some real potential for this as a youth caliber. It would also be good for my wife who loves to shoot but hates loud, heavy, or inaccurate guns. Maybe this is her unicorn.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/01/16 12:52 AM
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The rubberized Howa/Hogue stock in black or green is aluminum pillar-bedded. The nylon-like plastic used on the Hogue stock does not stick well to epoxy or fiberglass, so if you want to glass bed it, you'll have to go in there and drill a few holes, rough it up a bit, etc..
I've looked around and have not found much in the way of aftermarket stocks, so far. There soon will be, most likely, at least from Boyds if nobody else.
It sounds like a very nice lightweight deer/pig gun to me. They will also soon be available in .222 Remington, if not already - but I am more excited about the 6.5 Grendel chambering.
Dunno if the Howa 1500 triggers made by Timney and Rifle Basix will fit this action.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/01/16 01:31 AM
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That is a really cool idea.
I'm a dude who likes long barrels!
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/01/16 01:46 AM
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I called every warehouse that I buy from, some of them didn't know anything about them, and one says they have a part # but don't know when they will arrive. I have put a green short barrel on my wish list with all of them!
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/01/16 03:39 AM
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The current plan is midyear 2016 for them to be available here in the US. In time to get one and have it ready for 2016 seasons. Their initial prototypes are here and from reports doing pretty good sub MOA with Hornady factory ammo. The prototypes are 1:9 twist barrels and it has been suggested they try 1:8 twist like their 6.5X55 offerings were in.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/01/16 04:15 AM
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Wonder what kind of velocity it would push a 130 gr. Berger VLD?
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/01/16 04:28 AM
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Wonder what kind of velocity it would push a 130 gr. Berger VLD? Staying within SAAMI Spec of 52000 PSI around 2450 to 2500 max. That is what I am getting from the CZ 527 with the 130gr Berger Hybrid. Some are pushing it to 60000 PSI in their bolt actions and getting 2600fps with the 130s. Have pushed the 123gr amax to 2700 in the CZ but at that got a little sticky bolt lift. with that bullet 2650 fps no over due pressure signs. With the 130gr bullet Hodgdon CFE223 is for sure one of the powders of choice another is leverevolution. IMR 8208 is about as fast of powder as is practical for the 123 gr bullets and with the A-Max and SST 28.5 is the max load to be approached with caution.
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The hybrid would be the way to go. I'd feel better about 2600 fps, but consistency trumps velocity. I bet this rifle chambered in the Grendel will be a joy to shoot!
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Re: Howa Grendel
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My barrel on the CZ seems to be picking up a bit of speed as I shoot it more and those velocities were measured when it had less than 100 rounds through it. Will know more once I get some more rounds through it but consistency is there with it and pretty low ES in the low teens on last check with loads from 2400 to 2475 and groups sub half MOA for the little custom. Wont really work on further development until have a few hundred more rounds down range then we will see what she can do. 160 through it so far. Gotta get shooting more often.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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Jason, figure we will do a ladder test one day with it and just shoot for fun one day after have about 250 rounds down the pipe. See what we can do with it then.
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Absolutely! I've got everything needed at the range, including a Polaris Ranger to run back and forth between platform and target. I also have more than one place to set up a loading press to load the charges that need to be group shot. Any time you're ready let me know.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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01/05/16 05:55 AM
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Barreled action info. Not sure who is making stocks for it but someone will pick it up if they haven't already [QUOTE=]here you go!  sorry, ROT for the grendels but it is in fact 1-8" twist and the magazines that come with the grendels are in fact 5rd's[/QUOTE]
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I've only seen one Howa, mounted a scope on one a couple of weeks ago. It had a wood stock. Finish and smoothness of the bolt was not as nice as a Vanguard S2. The first thing that came to mind comparitively was a .270 ADL I purchased new in 2005. This is just an example of one though. And I have rifles that are nicer and smoother than the .270 but the only one more accurate is a CZ American 6.5x55 with 130 grain Berger VLD's. While a 6.5 Grendel bolt action doesn't appeal to me for my use I can see the appeal for others. It might be just the thing for my 25 year old daughter. Shotgun recoil doesn't bother her but rifle recoil does since she is sitting when shoots a rifle.
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Re: Howa Grendel
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Boo recoil of the Grendel is noticeably less than a 243 if rifle weights are the same. If conditions are right I would not hesitate to use my Grendel boltaction on deer to 400 yards. Recoil and muzzle blast with somewhere around 27 to 32 grains powder depending on the bullet and powder isn't bad.
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Boo recoil of the Grendel is noticeably less than a 243 if rifle weights are the same. If conditions are right I would not hesitate to use my Grendel boltaction on deer to 400 yards. Recoil and muzzle blast with somewhere around 27 to 32 grains powder depending on the bullet and powder isn't bad. That is why I think it might be the ticket for my daughter. She shoots a Vanguard .243 Youth and complains about it. Haven't looked at any tables but figured any cartridge based on a .223 case must have quite a bit less recoil than a .243 in the same weight rifle. Out of curiosity I just looked up the Grendel. I always thought it was based on the .223 case but Wikipedia states it is based on the .220 Russian. After looking at the specs I could see myself with an AR. I bet it would do almost anything my 30-30 will do out to longer ranges on deer and hogs.
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01/06/16 01:26 AM
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Family tree for 6.5 Grendel:
7.62x39 - The Russian copy/answer to the German 8mm Kurtz from late in WWII.
220 Russian - developed for hunting deer in Russia.
22 PPC - Developed as a target round.
6.5 Grendel - Developed as a possible replacement for the .223 in the M-16.
It looks just like a 7.62x39 necked down to 6.5 with a small primer instead of a large one. - And the 7.62x39 is in fact it's great-grand-daddy.
There is also a 6mm PPC but it's an older but littler brother, another off-shoot of the 22 PPC like the Grendel.
I like the 6.5 Grendel better than any of its relatives as a deer/pig hunting cartridge.
That's just me, though. A lot of shooters think more highly of the 7.62x39.
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I don't think you could beat it in a small framed rifle for kids. Exactly my thinking. I'm gonna need to get one of these. How is the Howa action and trigger? I've never been near a Howa rifle. Action good, trigger fixable by timney
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