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#6109165 - 12/30/15 12:31 AM 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks
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All,

I was recently given about 1000 Starline 45 colt cases from a relative who got them from a friend etc. These looked to be the proverbial "once fired" brass and I was very happy to get them as 45LC is pricey indeed... But upon digging through the box of brass, I discovered that about 500 of them are "Starline 45 Colt Blank brass." which, though somewhat tarnished, appear unfired.

https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/45-BLANK-45-colt-BLANK-brass/

I'd never heard of such a thing before -- they aren't crimped, look totally normal, etc. Upon checking starline's website I learned that they are identical in all respects to standard 45 colt cases - EXCEPT the FLASH HOLE is larger than standard (.140 in). BUT, the website states that they are not to be loaded with projectiles. They don't give a reason why.

I've done some sleuthing on the net and one forum mention said it was due to the larger flash hole potentially causing a more rapid ignition and subsequent high pressure condition. I'm not sure I buy that.

I'm shooting cowboy action/target punching loads with ~ 10,000 CUP (6.2 gr Titegroup) out of a Ruger Bisley Blackhawk which Mr. Linebaugh has demonstrated is capable of routinely handling 30,000 psi loads (I won't be shooting any of those, ever)...I will confess that I loaded up about 20 of these with 6.2 grains of titegroup and 200 LRNFP bullets and fired them with no adverse effects or any indication of pressure.

I'd hate to pitch 500 of my stash of brass - especially if the prohibition is based on a false premise (lawyers fear of someone loading a Linebaugh Load) or something that is simply not a concern out of a Bisley Blackhawk.

Anyone have experience with this?

Thanks

Todd




Edited by Talan2000 (12/30/15 12:33 AM)
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#6109376 - 12/30/15 08:39 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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#6109390 - 12/30/15 08:46 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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I've been told that there is no 45 long colt, just 45 colt, but I have no clue why you couldn't use the blank brass. Get Riverider in here.
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#6109410 - 12/30/15 08:57 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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The "long Colt" moniker supposedly originated at a time when the Army was equipped with both Colt SAAs and S&W revolvers chambered in .45 Schofield. They'd say "Long Colt" for clarity's sake. Supposedly.

I have no idea whether the larger flash holes would actually cause an issue, but I suppose its possible. I'm not sure I'd take the risk without researching the subject and the experiences of others who have discovered the pitfalls. Brass is cheap relative to the value of a pair of intact hands.
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#6110277 - 12/30/15 05:49 PM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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see my "similar" post regarding larger primer holes:
http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4639218/Re:_.38_Special_brass_-_someth#Post4639218

I trashed them. I have also found that they are used for fast draw competitions where they shoot large grain black powder loads at balloons and the burning powder grains actually "pop" the balloons! OK, that might be fun .... assuming no burn bans are in effect smile
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#6110995 - 12/31/15 06:10 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Cast]
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Originally Posted By: Cast
I've been told that there is no 45 long colt, just 45 colt, but I have no clue why you couldn't use the blank brass. Get Riverider in here.


+1 45LC and 45 Long Colt are pet peeves for me. Stupid thing to hate I know. Like stated, might as well buy the "right" brass.
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#6111577 - 12/31/15 11:49 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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Those that voraciously disagree with the word ‘LONG’ in the phrase 45 Long Colt............don’t e-mail me.....my spiritual brother (for almost a lifetime), and dear friend, John Taffin, has been trying to change my position for decades....and John may be correct, as all of you may. But in this, I am unrepentant...why? Because among other reasons, I have a full box of 45 Short Colt ammo produced in 1883 and that got me to really investigate! Not Schofield...but “45 Short Colt” Ammunition.....(230 grain bullet/hollow base/28 grains B.P.) People back then called them LONG or SHORT Colts when making purchases......so do I today.


This is an excerpt from an article written by Paco Kelley. Take it FWIW.
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#6111593 - 12/31/15 12:00 PM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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First, yes I feel your pain on the proper name of 45 colt morphing into 45 Long Colt. Since Ammo makers themselves are labeling it 45LC and referring to it as long colt I think the battle is lost. Maybe we could channel our energies on stamping out "have got" used improperly in place of "have" as in " you've got mail"
But I think we have lost that one as well.

Second. Asic777 looks like a nearly identical situation to yours except my large flash holes are factory made yours were hand made (and smaller caliber).

Bottom line. I won't be shooting them (anymore). Just bought a collet to pull out the remaining 25 or loaded blank cases.

I called Dillon and spoke with one of their guys and he acted like I had pulled the pin on 25 hand grenades and sat on them. When I remained calm and asked why specifically a larger flash hole is SO SCARY he said it allows for rapid ignition. When I retorted that mobidy better use a magnum primer he said well Um er in cowboy action loads WITH position sensitive light loads where shooters tip barrels up or down (old school 44 colt routine apparently) the primer could "arc across the power and detonate it instead of incrementally burning it.

I remain skeptical having shot 30 rounds or more with no explosions using position INSENSITIVE tight group but I remind myself of the first Spaceshuttle Challengr explosion caused by the failure of the presumed safe solid rocket boosters and I figure I don't really need to star in my own Apollo 13 sequel.

I suspect concern for using ancient powder types that are vey position sensitive and or fear of very high pressure loads of which the 45 colt is capable led star line to issue a prohibition on projectiles in blanks.

Anyway anybody know any cowboy sass shooters looking to buy some brass???

Todd
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Edited by Talan2000 (12/31/15 12:02 PM)
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#6112119 - 12/31/15 05:05 PM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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Originally Posted By: Talan2000
Since Ammo makers themselves are labeling it 45LC and referring to it as long colt I think the battle is lost.


I'll resist until the day I die!

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#6113013 - 01/01/16 10:14 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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45 Long Colt. I just like the sound of it. grin
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#6113968 - 01/01/16 07:42 PM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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I don't 'cause it's wrong. Damn, I've met you in person. Stop it! roflmao
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#6114006 - 01/01/16 07:58 PM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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As long as someone doesn't refer to magazines as clips, I'm generally easy-going. But that's a line that is never to be crossed!
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#6119258 - 01/05/16 06:49 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: RiverRider]
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As long as someone doesn't refer to magazines as clips, I'm generally easy-going. But that's a line that is never to be crossed!
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#6119452 - 01/05/16 08:42 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: RiverRider]
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As long as someone doesn't refer to magazines as clips, I'm generally easy-going. But that's a line that is never to be crossed!
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Awe heck my 10/22 has a clip and I have a ruger black hawk in 45 long colt. I call it a clip because that's what I was taught and ive never met a someone in person who didn't know exactly what I was talking about when I said clip. I call it 45 long colt because that's what the loading book, box of factory ammo, and box of dies all say on them.

Some of yal need to just un bunch your undies get on with life and worry about things that matter. popcorn
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#6119588 - 01/05/16 09:28 AM Re: 45 Colt (Long Colt) Brass Question -- Starline Blanks [Re: Talan2000]
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You mean like the difference between a .270 and a .280?

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