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#6088999 - 12/17/15 08:30 AM CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help
ChadTRG42 Offline
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My wife's company is in the process of updating their employee manuals and policies. The topic of CHL and firearms being allowed by employees on site came up. Some managers are for and some are against. They are in a large building with about 20 floors (they occupy 1 floor) and building has security (in the lobby). My wife asked me about it, and I gave her some input. But I need to come up with more positives of why they need to allow it.

If they do not allow employees to carry, what legal fall backs could there be. Meaning, if they say no carry, do they have to provide security? My case was that you are taking away my right to defend myself, and the company has no security in place (other than the unarmed security personnel in the lobby). Is there legal issues after the fact if they have an incident?

Need input!
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#6089031 - 12/17/15 08:52 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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If some managers do and some don't, have everybody get together and demand they allow carry or hire a couple armed guards. After that, defile managers that were against your carry rights. You choose how.

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#6089035 - 12/17/15 08:54 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Do they own or lease the building? The owners may have a policy against weapons on the premises. But (except for special circumstances) cannot stop them from leaving their weapon in the vehicle.
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#6089067 - 12/17/15 09:11 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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They lease/rent and the owner does not have any policy that they know of.
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#6089091 - 12/17/15 09:29 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Company could be held responsible for failing to provide a safe work environment in the event an incident occurs.


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#6089104 - 12/17/15 09:39 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I would think they would need to have proper signage in place too if the building is public.

below is a link to a video put together by the Department of Homeland Security that the company I work for distributed to us managers to share with our employees in case there was ever an active shooter here on campus ... (sorry, I don't know how to embed a video, so providing a link)



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#6089105 - 12/17/15 09:41 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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The only way I see it is find out the managers that are against it and ask them why. Then very politely inform them with solid statistics that they are wrong.
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#6089156 - 12/17/15 10:12 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Per our handbook, we cannot carry and also have the unarmed guards up front. Fortunatly, I work from home 99% of the time.

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#6089160 - 12/17/15 10:13 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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The company I work for has a policy that does not allow concealed carry at work even though the building owners don't have 30.06 signage.

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#6089170 - 12/17/15 10:19 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Probably stand a better chance in insisting the lobby security be armed.
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#6089270 - 12/17/15 11:36 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: billybob]
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Originally Posted By: billybob
Probably stand a better chance in insisting the lobby security be armed.


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#6089304 - 12/17/15 11:54 AM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
KRoyal Offline
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This has just come up at our job as well. I've always been barred from carrying in our building so have to leave it in the truck. At our Christmas party I was informed they will be sending me to an active shooter training from our local PD and my boss which is not liberal by anymeans but she hasn't ever been for me carrying inquired about her getting a chl as well. So I told her all about it, and pointed her in the right direction to get it taken care of. Things seem to be looking up for me and my carrying situation at work. Hope it looks up for your wife as well chad.
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#6089355 - 12/17/15 12:22 PM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
ronlhodges Offline
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First off if CCW is not allowed in the building there MUST be the proper 30.06 Signs at every entry door to the building , not just one entry . That sign makes it illegal for anyone to carry inside in anyway . That's the law . If no signs are posted and a person is a trained qualified CHL person and the owner of the building request you to not carry inside the building then you MUST by law abide by the owners request , otherwise there can be a legal battle and perhaps if they wanted to dismiss you on those grounds legally .

If there are no signs and the owner of the building does not care BUT the boss request no carrying inside the offices they occupy then the employee MUST abide by the employers' request or suffer the same results as mentioned above . If no signs , the owner does not care and the boss says it's ok , then a CHL person is totally legal to carry on their job location but they are still legally bound by the law any place where a 30.06 Sign is posted .

Come Jan. 1st not only does a 30.06 sign must be posted but also a 30.07 sign must be placed . The 30.07 sign says it is illegal for ANY Open Carrying of a weapon on the premises . If there is a 30.06 sign but no 30.07 sign as of Jan 1st then a CHL person can Legally Open Carry on the premises with permission but it cannot be concealed , otherwise you will be breaking the law . If there is a 30.07 sign and no 30.06 sign then you can Conceal Carry with permission BUT you cannot Open Carry or you will be breaking the law . You can find these laws online ,
http://www.handgunlaw.us/ .

There is no law in the State of Texas than I have read that says any company must provide security for anyone just because they will not allow a CHL person to legally carry on the Premises but notice I specifically mean Premises cause even tho a building or job site has the proper signs posted Premises does not include the street or parking lot area one parks their vehicle on to go to work . In Texas the State Laws Specifies that ANYONE , even a Non-CHL person is allowed to legally carry a weapon inside their vehicle for protection and that does not place the vehicle in the Premises cause in the Premises is INSIDE a designated building or job site but does not include the surrounding parkinglot .

However Laws are Laws and each person is totally responsible for reading and knowing their State laws and not take into granite one reads on any website or forum that is not legally a State Law website . Meaning what I posted hear is what I know and by no means in anyway am I telling you anything to approve any actiions any person takes just because they have read what I posted above . READ THE LAWS OF YOUR STATE !!


Edited by ronlhodges (12/17/15 12:25 PM)
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#6089375 - 12/17/15 12:32 PM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
ronlhodges Offline
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I would like to mention also that if you are a CHL person and any company or boss tells you you can carry but under the guidance of the company rules this puts you in a different category which therefore requires you to take special class training and you will get a different license cause it will now classify you as a guard person and therefore under different laws which can hender or stop you from carrying other places you go in a normal setting that you would with your regular CHL . My suggestion to you is DON'T do this procedure unless you wish to be reclassified and regulated as to how and when you can carry . If you do then when you and your friends of family go out to eat you cannot legally CHL as you did once before , you will be re-classified as a guard and can be held liable by law .
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#6089549 - 12/17/15 02:20 PM Re: CHL- Employers making new policies- Need help [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I won't be classified as a guard. I will only be carrying under the chl guidelines.
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