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#6088985 - 12/17/15 08:19 AM Help with a public land law...
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Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 37
Loc: aubrey, texas
I've got my public permit, and I've been duck hunting quite a bit this year around Ray Roberts. Dove season reopens Friday. I've never been dove hunting on public lands, so ive been reading the rule book and I was hoping someone would verify that im reading it right. I know it's 100% steel or hybrid shells for waterfowl, but I can use lead for dove correct??? I won't be shooting dove and duck at the same time, I dont want to even temp a GW to give me a ticket. Any more info i need? I dont believe its required to wear orange at Ray Roberts...

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#6089074 - 12/17/15 09:15 AM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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Registered: 01/27/14
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Loc: Ellis Co.
You don't have to wear orange when hunting Turkey's or Migratory birds. Yes you can shoot dove with lead but don't even have it in your bag if you are hunting ducks. Be sure to pack up all of you waterfowl gear and put it away before going out to hunt dove. If you want to be safe they make steel 6 & 7 shot for dove.
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#6089089 - 12/17/15 09:26 AM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: Flock Knocker]
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Originally Posted By: Flock Knocker
You don't have to wear orange when hunting Turkey's or Migratory birds. Yes you can shoot dove with lead but don't even have it in your bag if you are hunting ducks. Be sure to pack up all of you waterfowl gear and put it away before going out to hunt dove. If you want to be safe they make steel 6 & 7 shot for dove.


Shoot steel 6s for both.
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#6089111 - 12/17/15 09:46 AM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 454
Loc: Mansfield
I would take all steel just to be safe. My dad got a ticket while goose hunting for having a couple lead 8s loads rolling around the back seat of his truck. they were walking out of the field and the warden met them at the truck, when he opened the back door the warden saw lead and wrote a ticket.

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#6089347 - 12/17/15 12:17 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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Registered: 02/09/07
Posts: 7510
Loc: In the yak
The law says nontoxic for waterfowl. If you are only hunting doves and don't have any duck hunting gear etc.. I would'nt worry about it. Never had a problem.

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#6089440 - 12/17/15 01:06 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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Light Foot

Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 37
Loc: aubrey, texas
Thanks fellas! Ill def do a thorough truck sweep for lead... Ive always got a few rolling around somewhere!

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#6089541 - 12/17/15 02:17 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
yakinthebox Offline
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Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 521
Loc: TEXAS
My .02

Several years ago I got a ticket on a WMA for using lead shot on doves. This was my first ever dove hunt and I was told by the guy I was hunting with to bring lead shot.

Long story short, the warden told us that because duck hunting is allowed on the same property, all toxic loads were banned. He said they had just changed the rule the year before. I think it's just an easy way for the state to make money off of us. Confuse us and they can get away with our money. They gave 13 tickets that morning. It wasn't even duck season!!!

Point is, it's best not to just assume based off of what someone on a forum told you... Call the game warden and get a straight answer!

Good luck Bud!

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#6089913 - 12/17/15 06:23 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: yakinthebox]
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New law the state passed?
Originally Posted By: yakinthebox
My .02

Several years ago I got a ticket on a WMA for using lead shot on doves. This was my first ever dove hunt and I was told by the guy I was hunting with to bring lead shot.

Long story short, the warden told us that because duck hunting is allowed on the same property, all toxic loads were banned. He said they had just changed the rule the year before. I think it's just an easy way for the state to make money off of us. Confuse us and they can get away with our money. They gave 13 tickets that morning. It wasn't even duck season!!!

Point is, it's best not to just assume based off of what someone on a forum told you... Call the game warden and get a straight answer!

Good luck Bud!
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#6090366 - 12/17/15 10:25 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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Light Foot

Registered: 04/26/08
Posts: 37
Loc: aubrey, texas
Thanks fellas, may give the warden a call.

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#6090385 - 12/17/15 10:41 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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#6091135 - 12/18/15 02:04 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
kemon86 Offline
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Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 172
Loc: Cedar Creek Lake
No lead around water, that's the purpose of the law.

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#6091409 - 12/18/15 05:39 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: kemon86]
JRR Offline
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Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 360
Loc: Collinsville, Tx
Originally Posted By: kemon86
No lead around water, that's the purpose of the law.


Nope, the purpose of no lead was to make waterfowl hunting too expensive......greenies.....

I just got back from duck hunting, had lead 8's in truck as quail hunting too.....also had lead 4 buck as been hunting sandhill cranes too.....steel for ducks and geese.....not sure how hunting out of one truck I can't have different shots/shells without driving 5 hours home....

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#6091459 - 12/18/15 06:31 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: Sniper John]
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Loc: North Texas
Originally Posted By: Sniper John
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Vaca
To: SJ
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Lead shot in vehicle while hunting waterfowl


John,



While actually hunting waterfowl, it is illegal to possess anything other than nontoxic shot. Nothing prohibits a hunter from having lead shot back in their parked vehicle, back at camp, etc.



Scott Vaca
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Austin, TX 78744

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From: SJ
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:34 AM
To: Scott Vaca
Subject: Lead shot in vehicle while hunting waterfowl



Hi Scott,

Got a question for you. I'm a moderator on the Texas Hunting Forum and would like to clear up another confusing wording in the hunting regulations.



A question was asked if a waterfowl hunter would be in violation if they have lead shot locked in their vehicle while they are out hunting waterfowl. This assumed that no lead shot is on the hunter's person, not in his boat, etc while waterfowl hunting. There are conflicting reports of what hunters are being told when asking this question.



Examples why this could happen is hunters who are traveling/camping hunting different types of game on different days or locations. Or a hunter wanting to hunt waterfowl during a morning hunt leaving any shells containing lead locked in their parked vehicle, but return to their vehicle at mid day to swap out any birds taken, gear, and non toxic shotgun shells for lead shells to hunt other game such as upland or dove during an afternoon hunt.



Thank you,


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#6091603 - 12/18/15 08:55 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
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Registered: 07/26/06
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Loc: Black Dog, Texas
I always have both lead and steel in the truck while seasons are open.
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#6104564 - 12/27/15 03:45 PM Re: Help with a public land law... [Re: smirly22]
DonPablo Offline
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Registered: 09/20/11
Posts: 137
Aren't most decoy weights made of lead? I think that's funny. It's a good thing they never come off the string and get lost in the water. bolt

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