I have been hunting 50 years and I have seen 3 in the field. Every one of them was a machine. Back 40 + years ago, the American Field would let you register that cross of drop as a setter. AF was trying to put a little juice in the setter bloodline at the time. The absolute finest bird dog that I have ever hunted behind was a cross between a red setter and a standard poodle out of Delaware that smoked my blueblood, high-powered, field trailing, registered string up in Kansas on a weekend pheasant hunt. We just backed and honored all weekend.