Why is it so many care about what Yanks think

I hunt on LF land but am always interested in how the HF managed their deer. Most paid a good price to put the fence up, get the MLD permits and work to keep the deer numbers in check. If you pay attention to these guys and see how many does they need\have to take off each year, it's amazing. This is what needs to be learned from them. More LF places need to take off greater number of does. I see to many folks at the locker plant bringing in 1.5 - 3.5 yo bucks. Some say they only get to hunt once or twice a year and that was the first buck they saw...then others are quick to throw out it's a 'management buck'. Well if it's a management buck, it's a small or screwed up rack, then why are you taking the rack to get it mounted???
I know there are some that just want to shot a buck and really don't worry\care about growing big antlers. But those that want the big racks but continue to shot the young ones and don't take a good ratio of does, are the ones that I don't understand...

I'd take a free hunt on a HF place anytime...

I see a self-righteous...

Finally someone understands!!

If you hunt anywhere in S. Tex there is a high fence somewhere... You might be on 1,000 or 20,000 but there is probably a fence surrounding you somewhere on a neighboring property. Why manage a place only to have a neighbor shoot anything they want? I hunt a relatively cheap lease in N. Tex to shoot what I want. You need large acreage or a co-op to truly manage up here. S. Tex is about managing a herd to its full potential since genetics, land size, and browse is near perfect to grow big bucks. We shot a 180 lb dressed buck on low fence last week down there. It bottomed out the 225 scale live weight. No protein or feed. Numerous 150 inch bucks seen b/c they don't shoot young deer and shoot all spikes and older doe. That being said several hunts some of us only saw one deer the whole 3 hour hunt. Other hunts you might see 10 to 15.

I've hunted deer from Colorado to New York. I hunt feeders here at home, spot and stalked mule deer in Colorado, hunt corn and soybean fields and wood lots it Missouri and have hunted corn and soybean field edges, wood lots and swamps in New York. They hardest, most fruitless hunting I've had was in New York. If you have big groups you can do deer drives and get running shots at them. But hiking through knee deep snow on mile long drives through swamps and wood lots about killed me. In Missouri (where I own land) the EHD epidemic is so bad our deer heard is decimated and you sit and see nothing most days. Here people have what is arguably the greatest whitetail and exotic hunting in the nation. But we do nothing but attack each other about hunting over feeders, hunting high fence, paying high lease fees, management practices and meat hunting. I've hunted high fence, low fence and no fence areas across Texas. I've had a couple great deer leases and some bad deer-less leases. I've hunted the Type II land (back when they called it that) in east Texas and killed a buck the every year I hunted it. No monsters but I had meat in the freezer. I've had leases in the hill country, like the one I'm on now where it's low fence, that the deer aren't spooky and some will come to the feeder while you are standing there filling it.

I personally enjoy seeing game when I hunt. Personally I don't give a rats back end what another person thinks of that. I do however believe that the end of our way of life will be as much the fault of those within it as it those who oppose all of us.

We are spoiled and we are acting like it.

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That is an excellent post. Very well written. I have a different view however.

IMO the HFs do and will continue to threaten our right to hunt. Non-hunters don't much like the idea of shooting captive animals. It's that simple. One good documentary on the typical HF "pay a big fee and get a big buck" hunt would do a helluva lot of damage to our way of life.

Hunters debating ethics is not a threat to hunting in any way, shape, or form. Outsiders expect responsible folks to discuss the ethics of their pursuits. And no hunter is going to stop hunting because of differences of opinions about hunting.

So all the "shut up or you're going to ruin everything" talk makes no sense to me when it comes to this subject. It might impact HF but not hunting as a whole.

Same could be said for one on LF doing the same then correct?

No. Don't mean to yell, but there is one big difference: LOW FENCE ANIMALS ARE NOT CAPTIVE.

SMH

I hate to break it to you but captive or not the anti are against it.
I don't think it's any different than the anti gun nuts.
You may not like what someone else is doing. And what you are doing may be low on the trim down list of the anti groups. But by the time they get to you there will be few left to help you because you threw them under the bus.

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Nothing wrong with hunting an HF place. If I had enough property to keep it sporting, I'd probably HF it anyway. Helps keep predators at bay- especially the 2 legged kind.

Well then I guess they must be much harder to hunt then....correct http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3703520/1
Then by your standards if it is harder to hunt you can have menu pricing and need a calculator to hunt as long as the animal is behind a LF? I wonder if those animals that can not jump a LF know that they are not captive......

So by being as you so phrased it "Captive" that means it is not fair to the animal to be hunted?

I mean what the word means.

Dictionary definition:

"captive" adj.

"Kept under restraint or control; confined."

So is it not putting a Deer under control by giving and addicting it to a free meal by either corn or protein? Be that a HF or LF.

Don I'm not going round and round the mulberry bush again.

HF deer are captive. LF deer are not.

It really is that simple. I know many want to re-define words, change the subject, point at shiny objects, etc., etc. to distract from that simple concept. Believe me, non-hunters know what captive means. And what the HFs are for.

So this would include animals that live on an island also by your definition? I guess you are against hunting animals on an island also?

Deer are captive by topography as well

Sheep are restricted to mountain ranges for instance.

I hunt HF and LF both, and it doesn't take a deer on either place long to outdistance my old fat arse...

Captive... That actually made me laugh