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recoil of 257 #6083257 12/14/15 06:06 PM
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ok i am looking for a new gun with less recoil that would be a good all round gun deer and hogs i was looking at the 243 ruger american but now i was thinking of a 257 I have a very very band back and cant take much in the way of recoil of a gun it does not take much for me to be done for 2 days after shooting my 30-30 30-06 270 0r my 25-06 i know they dont kick much but having nerve damage it really take very little in the way o recoil to put me down for a few days so i was thinking a 243 would be great I am able to shoot it with out thinking out pain wich make me flinch or pull the trigger i can shot it nice and smooth and accurate but i was looking in to the 257 I have never shot one before so dont know if the recoil if much more then that o f the 243. i was going to go to gander mountain and buy one today but i got thinking of the 257 so i thought i would ask here seeing how there are a lot of knolagable guys and someone who can give me first had experience if i dont get a reply i will just stick with the 243.

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Have had the 243 and 257 Roberts and prefer the Roberts. As far as recoil they are about the same really but in the standard loads which are loaded to lower pressure in the Roberts I think the recoil is a little less but still very effective for deer and hogs. For even less recoil you can get the Hornady Lite or Remington Managed Recoil loadings and still be very effective to 200 yards or more with them. Do not think they load them in the 257 Roberts though a reloader certainly can.

I wish Howa would hurry up with their Micro action in the 6.5 Grendel which recoils less than the ones above and is a very effective hunting cartridge. That one is due out some time around mid 2016.

Another round to consider is the 6.8SPC which is effective and a little less recoil than the 243 or 257.

How far are you shooting, for inside 125 yards a 357 Mag makes for a very good deer and hog getter with mild recoil. Ruger makes a bolt action for it also.

Just some options I have tried. My 2 favorites are a Marlin 1894 in 357 Mag and for longer range had a 6.5 Grendel built from a CZ 527. Will not hesitate to use the latter one to 400 yards on deer and hogs.


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Re: recoil of 257 [Re: chemdawg] #6083334 12/14/15 06:39 PM
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I'm guessing 257 weatherby ? Is so that is not the answer.

I would stick with 243 and some of kmon1 suggestion if shooting hurts your back that bad.

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I changed the barrel on my Stevens 200 from 270 Win to a 257 Rob just because of the lower recoil. Its a great flat shooting round with plenty of knockdown power. If you hand-load you can use the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, it has very little recoil and I have chronographed it at 3,400 fps out of a 24" barrel.


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Have you thought about putting a break on one of your other rifles? I shoot a 7mm STW with a break and the kick is less than a .223. Yes it is loud but I can watch the animal go down in my scope it kicks so little.

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If your asking about the 257Weatherby then keep looking, it thumps. If you're asking about the 257Roy then I don't have an answer for you


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Re: recoil of 257 [Re: chemdawg] #6083569 12/14/15 08:21 PM
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Yeah the wby will hit you but it's my favorite caliber.

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Originally Posted By: Skip


That is pretty neat, thanks for posting that.

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OMG!!! the .600 N.E. has 10 times more recoil than a 308....It hurts the shooter as much as it hurts the elephant smile

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Originally Posted By: BigDad
I changed the barrel on my Stevens 200 from 270 Win to a 257 Rob just because of the lower recoil. Its a great flat shooting round with plenty of knockdown power. If you hand-load you can use the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, it has very little recoil and I have chronographed it at 3,400 fps out of a 24" barrel.


.257 Roberts @ 3400 FPS?


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I've had similar issues...with my back and neck....so a few years ago I went with a 6.5x55 Swede and the recoil is extremely manageable. Since then I've had a semi-custom 6.5 Creedmore built and bought a 6.5 CM in an AR. They both shoot extremely accurate and the recoil is very manageable. The custom has a break on it and the recoil is like a .22.

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OMG!!! the .600 N.E. has 10 times more recoil than a 308....It hurts the shooter as much as it hurts the elephant smile


That is what I was thinking, holy crap, why don't people put a break on those rifles.

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Love the 257. I used a Roberts when I first started hunting as a kid. Still shooting one. It has taken many hogs and northern plains whitetails. 100gr Partions work great



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I changed the barrel on my Stevens 200 from 270 Win to a 257 Rob just because of the lower recoil. Its a great flat shooting round with plenty of knockdown power. If you hand-load you can use the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, it has very little recoil and I have chronographed it at 3,400 fps out of a 24" barrel.


.257 Roberts @ 3400 FPS?


Yep, validated with my chronograph. Max load of IMR4064 and Barnes 80 gr TTSX, check the Hodgdon manual. Shoots sub MOA too!


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No doubt a 257, bet it a Roberts or a Weatherby will kill deer just fine, I would never recommend either to anyone looking for a good deer gun unless they were wanting something odd ball or unique. Cost and availability of ammo suck compared to several other calibers that offer the same killing power and low recoil with much more readily obtainable and less costly ammo.


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I made my choice after i read the 243 post i made I am looking in the either the savage access or the weatherby know its a bit more it will come down to what feels better the axis is suppose to me a tighter shooting the all the guns I like the price on the access cant beet 275 for a gun i am going to cabalas in the morning and going to put the cabalas current scope on it and if i dont like it then well it will be a good reason to buy a 257 i really apricate the help and feed back from every one i have never head anyone put done the 257

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I think a 243 win is a great choice for you. The wby vanguard is undoubtedly a better gun than the axis, but im sure both will serve the purpose.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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I changed the barrel on my Stevens 200 from 270 Win to a 257 Rob just because of the lower recoil. Its a great flat shooting round with plenty of knockdown power. If you hand-load you can use the Barnes 80 gr TTSX, it has very little recoil and I have chronographed it at 3,400 fps out of a 24" barrel.


.257 Roberts @ 3400 FPS?


The wby is 3850 so I bet that's close hot but close. My 25-06 with 100gr is at 3300. Think 243 80gr TTSX is at 3200


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FWIW IMO...the 257 Roberts is a classic older caliber who's sole advantage over a 243 is the ability to shoot slightly heavier bullets in 110gr & 120gr configurations. I shot one for over 10 years and loved it, after having a 243, and with the "bullets of the day" in the late 1960's and early 1970's was not satisfied with the "DRT" I was getting from a 243 either in factory ammo or in what I could handload, despite the scary accuracy of the SAKO 243 I was using.

I moved on back to a 270 from the 1979 Rbt's USRAC ltd production M70 Fwt when the supply of it's preferred ammo was discontinued, and could not find a load to build, or buy that would equal the WW White Box 100gr SilverTip that my gun favored...but I had a 125lb porker absorb 5 kill zone bullets from 50-60 yards down to 8-10 yards FTF while buried in a briar patch so thick I could not stand up in it with the last of those ST's and never shot the Rbt's again at game.

Today, rather thsn shoot a 243 with my continuing gimpy shoulder issues, I settled on a 6.5x55 Swede T3 intially - then did a super dumb thing and traded it off - and am now running a 260 T3 I have not spent enough time with to brag about like I could and did with the T3 Swede.

Only advantage to a 243 over a 260 is cheap ammo, and buy anywhere availability. The 260 for me is the flyweight recoil answer I need to my former T3 270's scary accuracy, and I prolly could be happy with any of the 3 common 6.5's on the market today - CreedMore, Swede and 260 Remmy.

The caliber x factory rifle availability in 6.5's is still far less than a 243, and I can live with that, to get the access to heavier bullets equal to a 270 weight range I prefer, and with even higher BC's than 270 bullets, even in factory ammo, and plan on using a 6.5 Something to replace my close to 50 year usage of a 270 as a DoAll for Everything in Texas caliber critter killer....until it's time for my BH to sell off my toys after I'm gone.
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My ownly gripe with a 6.5 mm is unless you use the 100 grain offering recoil difference from a 270 is going to be somewhat minimal.


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My ownly gripe with a 6.5 mm is unless you use the 100 grain offering recoil difference from a 270 is going to be somewhat minimal.


Not even close with 130 in both...270 thumps a bunch more then the Creedmoor


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They seem pretty close to me. For someone with an injury being the reason for reducing recoil I see it as a pretty marginal step.


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Agree that the Creedmoor will recoil less than the 270 if in the same gun. Gun weight and fit have a lot to do with felt recoil.

My lower recoil hunting rifle like I posted above is a 6.5 but the even smaller Grendel. According to the recoil calculators it in a 7.4 lb rifle is about half the recoil of a 270 in an 8lb rifle and over 20% less than a 243 while delivering trajectory matching a 308 and 1000+ ft/lbs at over 400 yards while shooting a 123gr bullet.

Easy to compare recoil calculations with the many recoil calculators on the web. Here is an easy one to use. Of course they do not take into account how a rifle fits the shooter.

http://handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp


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All I can tell you is that the T3 6.5Swede in 130 gr NAB's & 140gr Hornady's allowed me to shoot 50-60 rounds off the bench at a session, and 40+ rounds in max 120gr loads & I never got a bruise no matter how many rounds I shot in just a T Shirt.

However the T3 270 with the factory pad bruised me up substantially after 20-30 rounds. Moved the 270 to a gumball soft Limbsaver and could shoot it without the severe coloration but still had the soreness after 30 rounds....but I never wore anything heavier than a T Shirt and could handle the Swede with no bruising or soreness. This was right after my handfull of heart stents being placed in 2 proceedures during late Sept & Octbr '09 and I was still getting used to the the dosage levels of Plavix - an anti Blood Clot agent.

The CZ 10lb+ 9.3x62 did not color my shoulder, but the soreness would only allow me to shoot 20-25 rounds of maxmax 270gr Speers even with a Past strap on shoulder Pad under the CZ's Pachmyer Decelerator.

FWIW earlier that year - BEFORE Stents - I was handling 200+ rounds a sesssion doing load ladders of mulitiple bullet weights in Swede, 270 WCF, 300WMg & 9.3x62...with ZERO bruising but a little stiffness that evening that a couple toddies would cure & ususally some asperin the next morning.
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