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#6081778 - 12/13/15 04:44 PM Remington R25 guys need some scoop
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Have a buddy who had tricked out R25 with Nightforce 5.5-20 NXS on it. Struggling to make it shoot. Gave it to me to try and tweak it. Can get about 1.5 inch groups with 180g ammo. Has to be better than this. Using factory now bu will eventually build him some. Anybody have ammo suggestion for this gun. Scope mount and ring mount done and torqued to spec. 5k rifle that I can outshoot with my 10/22 doesnt seem right.........thanks in advance

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#6081840 - 12/13/15 05:18 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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Personally I would sell it and go for a different brand. If he truly has $5k in it that might not be possible but Im failing to see where the $5k is. There are much better semi-auto 308s for that kind of $. For that much you could get into a Larue, JP, LWRC.

Have you guys tried 168 or 175 FGMM? Almost every 308 on the planet can shoot those accurately.

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#6081844 - 12/13/15 05:21 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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BTW, Larue is literally around the corner from you guys. For $5k why on earth would he have bought a Remington????

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#6081867 - 12/13/15 05:30 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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His gun. Scope is 3K. Rifle was 1k. Cerakote job upgrade hand guard upgrade grip ace stock Pmags = 5K. He is from Houston. I'm just the slappie trying to make it shoot. Understand people have different opinions on the guns. Hunting rig haven't used match ammo

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#6081898 - 12/13/15 05:43 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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Ok that makes sense. So he's getting subpar accuracy out of a $1k rifle then. I dont count optics or paint jobs when i value a firearm

I would start with match ammo, FGMM or something from Chad. That would at least rule out one variable.

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#6081921 - 12/13/15 05:57 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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I have the same rifle with a Vortex Viper HST on top in a Burris PEPR mount and it would only shoot most factory loads to about 1.5MOA I tried 150 Core Lokts and Chad's 168gr AMAX loads and both shot about the same. I tried SSA 175gr match and it was just barely sub-moa. I then took it a step further with 165gr Nosler BT, 44gr Varget, and Lapua brass and it came alive to about 5/8" at 100 and 3" at 375. I also polished my trigger and it went from a gritty 5.5 lbs down to 3.5 lbs and smooth. You might look at doing something like that or get something like the RRA NM 2 stage or a Geissele to help with accuracy. Good luck and let us know how it shoots!
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#6081923 - 12/13/15 05:58 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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Chad's 165 Sierra Game Kings are phenomenal...

R25 never was a match rifle, it was a hunting rifle.
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#6082049 - 12/13/15 06:59 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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It needs a hand load.

As much as we tune every little detail on a hand load, and test very small increments of powder charge, it amazes me a rifle will shoot any mass produced ammo even 1 MOA.
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#6082279 - 12/13/15 08:46 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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I can hand load. Do for all my bolts. Its a 1 in 10 twist and I have some 165g Swift sciroccos that are nails in my bolts. Maybe I'll load an array of those this week. Best factory was...wait for it..Ted Nugent ammo with the 180 barnes. We wasted a lot of time on 6 different factory loads

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#6083027 - 12/14/15 09:56 AM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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Somethings wrong with that gun..I get those groups with cheap ZQI Turkish ammo from Walmart out of my R25.Never heard of an R25 that couldn't shoot at least 1 MOA at 100 yards with standard ammo.Have you cleaned the barrel.Have somebody else shoot it as well.( not saying you can't shoot).. Anyway,good luck.
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#6083175 - 12/14/15 11:22 AM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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All rounds out of a lead sled. Takes me out of the equation

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#6083826 - 12/14/15 04:45 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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I have several stock DPMS AR10s and all will shoot MOA consistently with factory and Chad's bulk reloads, your buddy's might be a bad one or perhaps the barrel is not torqued properly or hand guard is interfering. How did the rifle shoot before the ceracote job? I assume it was disassembled for the ceracote job and reassembled after, is that correct?
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#6083855 - 12/14/15 04:57 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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A couple of things.

First, I don't recommend the lead sled. It changes up the recoil from sled to the shoulder. Never been a fan. There are 3 recoil impulses with a gas gun- initial shot, recoil from bullet, and cycling of the action. You have to DRIVE an AR-10 hard, and hold on to it very stout. Also, AR's are known for first shot's going high, the next rounds shooting into a nice group, and another point of impact (POI) shift with the last round that locks the bolt open to the rear. Whenever I test for groups with an AR, I discount the first round location until I know EXACTLY where it normally goes. Next, if I am testing with 5 round groups, I will have a six round (first round into the mag to be the last round chambered) loaded in the mag so the next round chambers, and I don't get any POI shift from the bolt staying to the rear.

Second- When you paint an AR, you need to make sure parts and pieces get put back without slop in the receiver. Make sure there is not any gaps in the rear between the lower and upper. Any slop can cause movement. Paint does have some thickness to it, and has been known to change up how parts mate back.

Third- Try bullets that will tolerate a jump, like tangent ogive bullets. The Swift Scirroco you are looking at is a great bullet, but would be one of the last bullets I would try in an AR. You are limited to 2.800" to fit in the magazine, and this bullet would need to be seated deep with a long jump to the lands. It is an aggressive secant hunting bullet, and is jump sensitive.

Fourth- what powders are you running? I tend to go with faster burning powders in a gas gun. Varget is a great 308 powder, but may not be the best in a shorter barrel gas gun. Also, what is your process for brass prep for the ammo you are shooting?
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#6083987 - 12/14/15 06:08 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: ChadTRG42]
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#6084197 - 12/14/15 07:54 PM Re: Remington R25 guys need some scoop [Re: Murphscout]
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Broke down gun tonight scrubbed it, tickled it loved it. Took scope off. Re mounted and re leveled it torqued up proper. Using varget. Brass prep is once fired RP brass tumbled. Run through full length sizing die, primer pockets cleaned and resized. re tumbled and brush necks Trimmed to 2.005. Debur and chamfer. Brush again. Load.

I have some Sierra 165 GKs I'm going to load up tonight for another go at it

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