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#6079933 - 12/12/15 11:54 AM Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope
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I bout my first AR recently. Ruger 566, for 549 @ GT didtributers

I wanted a sight of some sort and bought a vortex strikefire 2 from Academt, green/red dot. I like it.

Should I have gotten a scope instead I will only shoot a hog, coyote, bocat. probably only 1 shot.

Y'all's thoughts????????

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#6079935 - 12/12/15 11:58 AM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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I still have the receipt.

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#6079937 - 12/12/15 12:01 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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I put an expensive scope on mine, and I kinda wish I wouldve bought a red dot instead.

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#6079966 - 12/12/15 12:37 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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no right or wrong answer here...if the use is for what you said, the dot sight will work fine. it will be good for target shooting too, but don't expect great MOA accuracy with something that has a 1MOA dot as the sight...it will definitely shoot MOpig though!

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#6079999 - 12/12/15 01:11 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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I have both. Sighted in with both. QD mounts. Makes it easier.
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#6080020 - 12/12/15 01:35 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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IMO if it is only going to be used as a hunting rifle like you said, I see more benefit in a more traditional scope than a red dot. I couldn't possibly hit a pig or coyote at 200 yards with a red dot and no magnification.
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#6080192 - 12/12/15 03:59 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Tff caribou]
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Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
IMO if it is only going to be used as a hunting rifle like you said, I see more benefit in a more traditional scope than a red dot. I couldn't possibly hit a pig or coyote at 200 yards with a red dot and no magnification.

You might be surprised if you tried

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#6080206 - 12/12/15 04:05 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: fr3db3ar]
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Originally Posted By: fr3db3ar
Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
IMO if it is only going to be used as a hunting rifle like you said, I see more benefit in a more traditional scope than a red dot. I couldn't possibly hit a pig or coyote at 200 yards with a red dot and no magnification.

You might be surprised if you tried


Hitting it is not really the issue when hunting. Hitting it in the vitals is the real issue. I don't think I can accurately hit a hot with a moa red dot sight at 200 yards. Sure I can hit it, but exactly where is the question. I believe I am a decent shot, but I am only as good as my optics and magnification is.
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#6080225 - 12/12/15 04:19 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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Who hunts hogs with an AR type weapon at 200 yards other than just throwing lead at the herd as they run off? And for that application a red dot is as good as a scope and possibly better due to increased field of view.

The typical carbine length AR is not going to be the best option of shooting out to 200 on a regular basis as a regular hunting rifle would be better suited to putting on vitals than a carbine length AR. Now if you want to get sticky and say they can I will agree, but the intended purpose of the carbine length rifle
Is shorter range than 200. If the OP has a longer bull barrel'd AR by all means feel free to put a nice scope on it, but then again, you basically have a semi auto hunting .223


Edited by Texas buckeye (12/12/15 04:24 PM)

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#6080298 - 12/12/15 05:19 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Texas buckeye]
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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
Who hunts hogs with an AR type weapon at 200 yards other than just throwing lead at the herd as they run off? And for that application a red dot is as good as a scope and possibly better due to increased field of view.

The typical carbine length AR is not going to be the best option of shooting out to 200 on a regular basis as a regular hunting rifle would be better suited to putting on vitals than a carbine length AR. Now if you want to get sticky and say they can I will agree, but the intended purpose of the carbine length rifle
Is shorter range than 200. If the OP has a longer bull barrel'd AR by all means feel free to put a nice scope on it, but then again, you basically have a semi auto hunting .223
I've shot a Wilson Combat AR in 308 and it's gonna hit where you aim every time past 300 easy. ARs have come a long way.
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#6080340 - 12/12/15 05:43 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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What the OP posted about was not a Wilson arms 308....just a little difference in gun, as I differentiated in my post above.

I would hope that Wilson rifle would shoot out to 300 easily...

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#6080356 - 12/12/15 05:52 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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Length and contour of the barrel don't have much of anything to do with the accuracy of a hunting rifle. Carbine length barrel with send the bullets down range with a little less velocity, but that alone doesn't effect accuracy if you know that and compensate for bullet drop.

An AR in .223 shouldn't have any problem shooting accurately at 200 yards assuming it's a quality rifle, and the Ruger is a very nice rifle. And a properly placed shot will be perfectly deadly.

As helomech said, hitting the vitals is the goal, and IMO a no magnification red dot, for me personally, loses its effectiveness at around 75-100 yards. After that I would greatly prefer a magnified scope. A 2-6 power would be great for this scenario in my opinion.
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#6080368 - 12/12/15 06:03 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Tff caribou]
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So should we all hunt long range with pistols, as long as we account for bullet drop? Of course a longer barrel affects accuracy...longer time in the rifling makes for a
More stable bullet coming out. Agree, it gives a little
More speed, but for the most part the speed is negligible for each inch...talking somewhere between 10-20 fps/inch of barrel length.

Longer barrel means more accurate, generally speaking. Faster as well, but that isn't why people get longer barrels for their weapons. It's for the increased accuracy (and weight to reduce recoil, which also can aid shooting)

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#6080371 - 12/12/15 06:05 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Roll-Tide]
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And just to be clear, I am not saying an AR (even a carbine length) won't shoot accurately past 200 yards...

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#6080374 - 12/12/15 06:07 PM Re: Did i mess up with AR sight vs scope [Re: Texas buckeye]
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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
So should we all hunt long range with pistols, as long as we account for bullet drop? Of course a longer barrel affects accuracy...longer time in the rifling makes for a
More stable bullet coming out. Agree, it gives a little
More speed, but for the most part the speed is negligible for each inch...talking somewhere between 10-20 fps/inch of barrel length.

Longer barrel means more accurate, generally speaking. Faster as well, but that isn't why people get longer barrels for their weapons. It's for the increased accuracy (and weight to reduce recoil, which also can aid shooting)


Longer barrel does not mean more accurate. Maybe back when barrels where smooth bore, but not now. I can cite many places that actually say the opposite. The only place length may come into play is if using iron sites, and the distance between sights.

I disagree totally with this. Longer barrels are generally choosing because of the increase in velocity not for accuracy.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/10...y-and-accuracy/
Quote from above article.

"Belief: a long barrel is required for accuracy when shooting at long distance.

Fact: In no part of our testing was barrel length a determining factor in accuracy. At a distance of 100-540 yards, there was no discernible difference in accuracy between various barrel lengths. This performance translated over to unknown distance shooting with all barrel lengths at ranges out to 900 yards. At no point in the testing was a short barrel a hindrance once marksmanship fundamentals were observed and proper flight data was applied."


Edited by helomech (12/12/15 06:10 PM)
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