LOL, I don't think there was much competition with this group. Nobody even measured the deer taken. the big one had 18 points. This was just 4 old college buddies getting together for a hunt. My friend told me they waited 7 years to all get the permits, and they hunted hard all week. Family land of one of the guys, not hunted much, not managed, all free range, natural, take-em-as-you-find-em hunting.