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 What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:19 PM
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My girlfriends parents live over in Salado area, they have 22 acres that is bordered by a 500 acre tract. They consistently have deer coming off that 500 acre tract and so this year between all the family members they have taken 5 13in and better bucks. Their reasoning is that they are "transient bucks". To me though even if transient they are still their buck population in the area and will hurt it in the long run.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:21 PM
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22 acres cannot be managed. Not saying I agree with them killing that many deer off that small a property but there is no management on 22 acres
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:22 PM
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Management and killing 5 bucks on 22 acres do not belong in the same sentence.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:23 PM
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I know their specific land cannot be managed but don't you want to think of the overall general population and management of your surrounding area.
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12/07/15 07:23 PM
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I don't think that will hurt them. More than likely they are transient, prob stopping by for food and moving on. Next year there will be more buck in place of the 5 they killed this year. May not be as big or mature, but then again they might. Takes more than 1 year to pattern dear and get a feel for the herd
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:24 PM
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To me I would think you would want to not waste your population just because the deer are transient.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:24 PM
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I know their specific land cannot be managed but don't you want to think of the overall general population and management of your surrounding area. If you're interested in forming a co-op with the surrounding landowners, absolutely. Your girlfriend's family are one of the reasons so many high fences have been erected in Texas.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:26 PM
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And sorry if this is a pointless topic, just bored at work and thought about this from this weekend
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:27 PM
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I bet the 500 acre neighbor would hate them if they hunted... and we wonder why there are high fences.
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12/07/15 07:28 PM
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It just depends on the total herd pop and CC of the area.. also it depends on the situation of the 500acre land.. if hunted or not and if it has the means to hold and sustain a lot of deer... sounds like it does.. and if they are killing that many deer every year I don't see it hurting much... it is possible to help out an area with management on any size property.. people think you have to have hundreds or thousands of acres to help with management but every little piece of land contributes to the surrounding area herd.
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12/07/15 07:30 PM
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Somewhere someone is thinking about how much they hate your girlfriend's family...
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:37 PM
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It just depends on the total herd pop and CC of the area.. also it depends on the situation of the 500acre land.. if hunted or not and if it has the means to hold and sustain a lot of deer... sounds like it does.. and if they are killing that many deer every year I don't see it hurting much... it is possible to help out an area with management on any size property.. people think you have to have hundreds or thousands of acres to help with management but every little piece of land contributes to the surrounding area herd. I don't know how long they have had the land, I do know this is the first year they have gotten a buck off of it, and they have gone crazy with it
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:37 PM
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Somewhere someone is thinking about how much they hate your girlfriend's family... Lol
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:38 PM
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Tell me something though just to get a view of things... the surrounding properties/property.. do they have livestock? and your GFs family doe they? what is the condition of both propertys? and the water situation? That area has a huge deer population if some arnt taking it into account... these deer being taken could very well have a positive effect on the surrounding herd
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12/07/15 07:41 PM
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I always laugh when I hear people like that complain 'Well, there aren't any big ones out there and we had to shoot something'. 
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:43 PM
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There is no livestock in the immediate surrounding area. One of the neighbors has a small stock tank and not sure what the 500 acres has on it. The land has a fairly good amount of cover for the deer with open fields out to the east a few miles
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:45 PM
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Lot of deer in that area.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:48 PM
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Somebody else said this, but you aren't managing 22 acres. Shoot it up and have fun.
How come everybody I meet is a deer hunting expert?
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:51 PM
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Somebody else said this, but you aren't managing 22 acres. Shoot it up and have fun. But don't post up a sob story about the big evil neighbors stealing all the deer when they HF. No doubt knocking the numbers down can help the deer herd, but seems like some does need to be taken too.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:53 PM
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Somebody else said this, but you aren't managing 22 acres. Shoot it up and have fun. But don't post up a sob story about the big evil neighbors stealing all the deer when they HF. That 500 acres is for sale too, so I am sure they will have a high fence in the future when new owners take over.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:56 PM
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the ONLY way to manage a bunch of smaller properties is to have buy in from all parties - good luck with that
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 07:57 PM
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A lot of people in that area are just farmers and ranchers who dont have a lot of interest in deer hunting.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/07/15 08:16 PM
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If your neighbors don't care then its a birds nest on the ground.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/08/15 06:21 PM
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agreed, no management there. just small property with a good neighbor and folks shooting the deer available to them. they are not improving anything they are just absorbing deer surplus from next door. nothing wrong with it, they are not breaking the law. but if the 500ac neighbor ever went away then their hunting would fall off the chart.
if that 500ac place had hunters on it, they would not think very highly of the 22ac place.
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Re: What I consider poor management
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12/08/15 07:41 PM
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Somebody else said this, but you aren't managing 22 acres. Shoot it up and have fun. But don't post up a sob story about the big evil neighbors stealing all the deer when they HF. No doubt knocking the numbers down can help the deer herd, but seems like some does need to be taken too. This is why we have so many high fence ranches and if I was their neighbor I would look forward to fencing them out
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