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#6064222 - 12/03/15 08:15 AM Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting
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I grew up deer hunting. When I was a kid, getting a buck, any buck, was the goal of every kid who hunted. It was usually a dink.

Thanks to an ever-increasing focus and awareness of proper deer management, more and better deer are available to all of us across the board. Things are so much better now without doubt. And I am grateful for it. I manage my own place as best I know how and have learned a lot from the guys on here. It has helped me a bunch.

But I wonder, have we reached a point where the focus on management has overtaken actually learning to hunt?

If so, are we moving away from what hunting is really about - hunting?

I know lots and lots of guys who can lecture chapter and verse on deer management principles (deer aging, scoring, buck to doe ratios, best foods for spring/winter, protein sources, culling, etc., etc., etc.) who have never set foot outside of a box blind when hunting. To me, there's something wrong with that picture. There are 50 threads on management techniques for every thread on hunting techniques/skills. It seems to me that a true appreciation of the deer we hunt involves so much more than their size, numbers, and foodplot/corn/protein preferences.

Are we losing something? Is the balance of management vs. hunting shifting too far towards the management side? Or am I just an old fart behind the times?
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That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6064247 - 12/03/15 08:28 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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I think so, but it wouldn't become that evident until, say if SHTF, many will find they lack true hunting skills. I remember when most people hunted trails , or fields sitting behind a log, or up against a tree. I don't recall deer feeders and blinds much back then (60's-70's)

On the flip side, the way hunting is now, what skills do you have to have?
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#6064248 - 12/03/15 08:30 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Same thing as the HF thread. Different strokes for different folks. Some people are probably worried to much about it but they don't affect me so I don't care what they do.

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#6064249 - 12/03/15 08:31 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Another thought NP, since hunting has become so commercialized and drastically changed over the last 30 years, us "older" guy's should feel fortunate to have seen it "the other way". PArt of the trade off I guess, bigger bucks and opportunity for easier hunting?? IDK

I do know I really enjoy seeing old hunting photos, you know, back when a deer draped over the hood drew every one from town.
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#6064253 - 12/03/15 08:33 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Western]
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Originally Posted By: Western
I think so, but it wouldn't become that evident until, say if SHTF, many will find they lack true hunting skills. I remember when most people hunted trails , or fields sitting behind a log, or up against a tree. I don't recall deer feeders and blinds much back then (60's-70's)

On the flip side, the way hunting is now, what skills do you have to have?


have you ever bow hunted?
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#6064257 - 12/03/15 08:34 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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I see what your saying.

I think the spot and stalk type hunting is more or less disappearing with smaller tracts being hunted and more hunters per acre on leases where they don't want folks wondering around. I have hunted public land spot and stalk for hogs, it was a whole different animal than sitting in a box blind. I hope to add a couple more of these types of hunts as time goes on.
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#6064266 - 12/03/15 08:37 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: z71dustin]
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Loc: Mesquite, Texas
Originally Posted By: z71dustin
Some people are probably worried to much about it but they don't affect me so I don't care what they do.


you "cared enough" to post .... rolleyes


NP,
I been hunting since 1974(I was a kid with a Ben Pearson Longbow -w- 3 Kmart Broadhead Arrows of some sort and a old H&R single 20 gauge Slugs and #3 Buck) and it sure has changed and also has priced many a good ole boy right on out of nearly all of it. What remains is the sad amount of public land so very limited for many hunters and on such you almost have to hunt the old way if you follow the regulations! I enjoy both,but can only afford the latter these days. I had a lease for 11 years and in that time it quadrupled in price. I seen the AR regs work there,and I never seen such self centered attitudes ever as o that place the last couple years.
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#6064270 - 12/03/15 08:39 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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NP, I am with you 100%, and I'm not quite an "old fart." I love management, and agree it has paid dividends. I enjoy it as much as I do the hunting. However, I continue to see a trend where TX hunting is defined by sitting in a comfy little box and waiting for a timed mechanical device to throw corn and for the deer to come to you. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it and enjoy it myself sometimes. But I can't help but feel much is being lost. It really came home to me when we started a new awesome lease and 90% of the discussion amongst the new members was around the status of the blinds rather than scouting, identifying trails, looking for likely areas, etc. Think about the wind? nah.

I'm only 35. However, hunting for me started out either sitting up in a live oak tree on a 2x6 and waiting to see what came down a trail or still-hunting through a likely area. I've also had the benefit of hunting out West a few times where hunting largely relies on your scouting ability, then using your glass and your legs. You better learn to play the wind and move with the landscape.

In the end, I don't know that it is management that is derailing the train. I think it is 1 part laziness, and another part not having to learn those critical skills because folks can largely be successful without them in this day and age.


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#6064284 - 12/03/15 08:45 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
I grew up deer hunting. When I was a kid, getting a buck, any buck, was the goal of every kid who hunted. It was usually a dink.

Thanks to an ever-increasing focus and awareness of proper deer management, more and better deer are available to all of us across the board. Things are so much better now without doubt. And I am grateful for it. I manage my own place as best I know how and have learned a lot from the guys on here. It has helped me a bunch.

But I wonder, have we reached a point where the focus on management has overtaken actually learning to hunt?

If so, are we moving away from what hunting is really about - hunting?

I know lots and lots of guys who can lecture chapter and verse on deer management principles (deer aging, scoring, buck to doe ratios, best foods for spring/winter, protein sources, culling, etc., etc., etc.) who have never set foot outside of a box blind when hunting. To me, there's something wrong with that picture. There are 50 threads on management techniques for every thread on hunting techniques/skills. It seems to me that a true appreciation of the deer we hunt involves so much more than their size, numbers, and foodplot/corn/protein preferences.

Are we losing something? Is the balance of management vs. hunting shifting too far towards the management side? Or am I just an old fart behind the times?


Humm pretty simple... Better understanding of the animals we hunt, And killing whitetails is simple, why we almost whipped them out. Whitetails don't migrate. They have a core area. We take a lot of short cuts but that's not a position of lack of skill it's a position on lack of time.

I grew up in a place where a corn feeder was a waste of time. Why would a deer come to a corn feeder when there is 6k acres of standing corn around them...but it wasn't hard to pattern them and then figure out which feild they where calling home. I can drive a around a circle in 10 min and figure out which one has deer in it. On top of that it's easy to glass an Alafalfa feild.

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#6064294 - 12/03/15 08:49 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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You hunt a much different area than where I do.
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That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6064295 - 12/03/15 08:49 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Registered: 03/17/09
Posts: 441
Loc: Mesquite, Texas
It amazes me that we have more deer than ever these days....but I used to see a lot more back in them olden days just cause we didn't just sit over "MY SPOT". I read in a old almanac many years ago that at turn of the 20th century there were est 50000 whitetail left in the US. Now we have over 20 Million?
Still do not see the numbers.But then I hunt East Texas and not on a South Texas farm(nothing again them I have had fun on them when day leas was affordable).
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#6064303 - 12/03/15 08:56 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: TxAg]
Nogalus Prairie Online   content
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Originally Posted By: TxAg
NP, I am with you 100%, and I'm not quite an "old fart." I love management, and agree it has paid dividends. I enjoy it as much as I do the hunting. However, I continue to see a trend where TX hunting is defined by sitting in a comfy little box and waiting for a timed mechanical device to throw corn and for the deer to come to you. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it and enjoy it myself sometimes. But I can't help but feel much is being lost. It really came home to me when we started a new awesome lease and 90% of the discussion amongst the new members was around the status of the blinds rather than scouting, identifying trails, looking for likely areas, etc. Think about the wind? nah.

I'm only 35. However, hunting for me started out either sitting up in a live oak tree on a 2x6 and waiting to see what came down a trail or still-hunting through a likely area. I've also had the benefit of hunting out West a few times where hunting largely relies on your scouting ability, then using your glass and your legs. You better learn to play the wind and move with the landscape.

In the end, I don't know that it is management that is derailing the train. I think it is 1 part laziness, and another part not having to learn those critical skills because folks can largely be successful without them in this day and age.


Good post thanks. That's what's rolling around in my head too. Especially nice to hear coming from a younger guy.
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That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6064304 - 12/03/15 08:56 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: jshouse]
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Originally Posted By: jshouse
Originally Posted By: Western
I think so, but it wouldn't become that evident until, say if SHTF, many will find they lack true hunting skills. I remember when most people hunted trails , or fields sitting behind a log, or up against a tree. I don't recall deer feeders and blinds much back then (60's-70's)

On the flip side, the way hunting is now, what skills do you have to have?


have you ever bow hunted?


Yes sir, for around 15-20 years, but it has been some time
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#6064308 - 12/03/15 08:57 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Do we hunt for...ourselves? The deer? Or what other people think?

Some guys are balanced about it and do what they can to improve the herd, but don't lose sight of the fact that we're there to have a good time. Other folks are out to prove something, either because they have a need to be "respected" or whatever. I am related to and actually have a couple of friends I consider close friends that are of the latter type. They're the ones that the first cotton-pickin' words out of they're mouth when anyone brings a deer back to camp is "How old do you think that deer is?" And then there's this long, drawn out discussion like you're at a dadgum biology conference. No "Hey congratulations!" or "Pretty deer!". And I've seen this when a kid brings in his first buck ever. It infuriates me.

And then there's the envious redneck that always mumbles "I woudn'ta shot that deer." It could be 8 years old, a foot outside his ears, and 15 points.
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#6064309 - 12/03/15 08:58 AM Re: Deer Management vs. Deer Hunting [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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I agree times have changed, but it doesn't mean it should take the fun out of it. I still enjoy scoping our property for rub lines, scrapes, and general deer trail paths. Looking for deer forage, evaluating game pics, and trying to age deer is something that entertains me too.

I really do like my first year trying to manage the deer at our new west texas place, but I still old school it in east texas with a bow up in an oak tree while overlooking a deer trail or scrape.

It's all hunting and I enjoy it all
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