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 This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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11/30/15 10:48 PM
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Anti HF guys. Would you hunt Chaparral WMA if drawn for it?
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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[Re: TexFlip]
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11/30/15 10:55 PM
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Since they're STRICTLY low-fence, fair chase ONLY Hunters, one must assume they would never enter such a drawing in the first place. Right?
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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11/30/15 11:13 PM
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Great question. I'd like to believe it will be answered honestly but........
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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11/30/15 11:53 PM
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Great question. I'd like to believe it will be answered honestly but........ You have way too much faith in some people.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
[Re: TexFlip]
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12/01/15 12:02 AM
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Is "I'm not anti HF" the same as yes? 
Last edited by Chief Joe; 12/01/15 12:02 AM.
"It is the same boiling water that softens the rice, which hardens the egg." It's not always about the circumstances, but what you are made of....
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
[Re: TexFlip]
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12/01/15 12:05 AM
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I think most anti-HFers if given the opportunity to shoot a free Booner on a HF, would do it.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
[Re: TexFlip]
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12/01/15 01:20 AM
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i don't know what it is about you HF'ers & your adicktion ta pudden your hands on a booner... 
i'm postaddic
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 01:50 AM
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 01:54 AM
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A prayer
Dear lord, please give us a short break from this rain. Another day of rain could mean another AR debate.
Amen.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
[Re: TexFlip]
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12/01/15 02:00 AM
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I already have  Not for deer though. And I'm not anti HF
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 02:08 AM
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Most HF hunters if I were standing by them in their trophy room looking at a huge buck and I asked. "Did you Hunt that deer or Buy it?" Would have to answer, "I bought it."
At least that is my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 04:28 AM
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I'll play devils advocate, the deer in the chap are not fed protein or corn by the truckload so I'd venture to guess that they might be a little more spooky than a deer that is used to the smell of humans. But then again, I've always heard that the biggest bucks there are in the section closest to the game wardens (or biologist) house, so maybe they aren't that wild.
Anyways, I'd hunt it; but I'd hunt a HF ranch too.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 04:59 AM
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Its not about the fence its about the hunt. If you go in there and put in no work just choose a deer and kill it well I'm not a big fan but if you go in and it feels like a hunt and you work for it then I can dig that. Ive only hunted a HF once and it was for a pig bc I really wanted to kill something with my bow. The guy dropped me off threw some corn on the ground and slung some at the spinner and as soon as he drove off I had like 20 species within 20 yards of me LOL. Pigs came in I arrowed one it is what it is. I didn't like it so ill never go back but it won't stop me from trying another place someday most likely for exotics rather than WT. Oh yeah as I was getting ready to leave this guy drives up and says he wants a ram. The guide says grab your gun they walk over to a fence with a small pasture and the guy shoots a ram standing in a small pasture. I couldn't wrap my brain around that one. Also I would prefer a HF with the deer from that area rather than something trucked in. Using the HF as a tool to optimize your herds potential is different than HFing 100 acres and bringing in some freaks and selling them to a "hunter" I guess that my 2 cents but in the overall spectrum of things I could really careless what people do with their property or what some people consider hunting.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 05:03 AM
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Anti HF guys. Would you hunt Chaparral WMA if drawn for it? One would have to want to hunt it or else they wouldn't put in for it.......
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
[Re: TexFlip]
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12/01/15 10:17 AM
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Well if I had to choose a side, anti or not, I would take the anti, no offense. I like the what if factor of hunting... not that I don't think HF has no fair chase.. it does and deer/critters can disappear. I just lean to anti HF due to the natural flow of the wildlife and I always like to think while im hunting, what may come over the fence or onto our property.. I have hunting small acreage like our family ranch 295acres... and larger. I understand that people want to protect what they have from others and its cool. I wish it could have been hammered out by more restrictive hunting rules.. like taking only one buck or more AR counties... Our place 295 acres.... well our cousins that hunt are the worst.. I wish I could HF around their blind, so I understand.. but if they knew they could only take one buck, it would force them to think more I believe.. That being said.... LOL Im more anti HF, but I was drawn for the Chaparral WMA this year for Archery hunt Dec. 8..... AND HELL YES ILL HUNT THAT PLACE! you seen the deer!?
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 01:18 PM
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I have been thinking about doing something this next year. I keep hearing from the anti HF crowd that hunting a HF is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have an at least 30" Axis in about a 250 acre HF pasture. He is going to drop his antlers soon. When he grows them back he should be well over 30". I was thinking about making a deal. You give me $750 and I will let you in the pasture and you get from daylight to dark to hunt that one day.. If you get him you made a heck of a deal. If not I made $750.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 01:24 PM
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I have been thinking about doing something this next year. I keep hearing from the anti HF crowd that hunting a HF is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have an at least 30" Axis in about a 250 acre HF pasture. He is going to drop his antlers soon. When he grows them back he should be well over 30". I was thinking about making a deal. You give me $750 and I will let you in the pasture and you get from daylight to dark to hunt that one day.. If you get him you made a heck of a deal. If not I made $750. Make them do it with a Bow and really up the odds 
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 01:42 PM
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I have been on quite a few ranches in west texas and can tell you one thing if it wasn't so easy to see and shoot 200'' bucks then you would not see the thousands that you see everywhere .I as a land owner of many different places hate to see our land destroyed by money hungry people and thats what it is most of the ones around me that have the high fence are lazy people that do not want to do real work and have workers do all there maintenance for them but thats just what i see around me .I have talked to a few texas parks and wildlife friends that have been in it for a long time and they all say they wish they could get the vast majority of the high fence need to be taken down and hope to get a bill passed to make them more regulated .I own around 5000 acr and can tell you that i would never put one up no matter them money and if i was in need of money that bad i would sell a couple of thousand off.
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12/01/15 03:39 PM
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I have talked to a few texas parks and wildlife friends that have been in it for a long time and they all say they wish they could get the vast majority of the high fence need to be taken down and hope to get a bill passed to make them more regulated. Agreed. The whole country side is going to be one giant grid of high fences. The only real "wildlife" are going to be those with wings and others that can squeeze through net fences (and not get caught in a snare). Folks talk about how hard it is to hunt an animal in 250 acre HF....."it is the principal of the matter." The whole point is running an animal around in 250 acres trying to kill it in the first place. Why anyone wants to do that I just don't get.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 05:11 PM
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I have talked to a few texas parks and wildlife friends that have been in it for a long time and they all say they wish they could get the vast majority of the high fence need to be taken down and hope to get a bill passed to make them more regulated. Agreed. The whole country side is going to be one giant grid of high fences. The only real "wildlife" are going to be those with wings and others that can squeeze through net fences (and not get caught in a snare). Folks talk about how hard it is to hunt an animal in 250 acre HF....."it is the principal of the matter." The whole point is running an animal around in 250 acres trying to kill it in the first place. Why anyone wants to do that I just don't get. I doubt that you would even find him much less"Run Him".
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 05:25 PM
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It will be a cold day in hell when TPWS gets the power to take down privately owned fence. It will be another cold day when they can regulate game other than WT on private property.If TPWS did not like HF they would have never started Captive breeding. All you HF haters better hope that day never comes because things have then gone to "Hell in a hand basket"
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 05:27 PM
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I have talked to a few texas parks and wildlife friends that have been in it for a long time and they all say they wish they could get the vast majority of the high fence need to be taken down and hope to get a bill passed to make them more regulated. Agreed. The whole country side is going to be one giant grid of high fences. The only real "wildlife" are going to be those with wings and others that can squeeze through net fences (and not get caught in a snare). Folks talk about how hard it is to hunt an animal in 250 acre HF....."it is the principal of the matter." The whole point is running an animal around in 250 acres trying to kill it in the first place. Why anyone wants to do that I just don't get. Ive never been on a drive hunt. If you don't coral all the deer into the corner and shoot the one you want I don't see how hunting 500 acres HF is any different than 5000 acres, unless the property is flat and featureless.
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Its not about the fence its about the hunt. If you go in there and put in no work just choose a deer and kill it well I'm not a big fan but if you go in and it feels like a hunt and you work for it then I can dig that. Ive only hunted a HF once and it was for a pig bc I really wanted to kill something with my bow. The guy dropped me off threw some corn on the ground and slung some at the spinner and as soon as he drove off I had like 20 species within 20 yards of me LOL. Pigs came in I arrowed one it is what it is. I didn't like it so ill never go back but it won't stop me from trying another place someday most likely for exotics rather than WT. Oh yeah as I was getting ready to leave this guy drives up and says he wants a ram. The guide says grab your gun they walk over to a fence with a small pasture and the guy shoots a ram standing in a small pasture. I couldn't wrap my brain around that one. Also I would prefer a HF with the deer from that area rather than something trucked in. Using the HF as a tool to optimize your herds potential is different than HFing 100 acres and bringing in some freaks and selling them to a "hunter" I guess that my 2 cents but in the overall spectrum of things I could really careless what people do with their property or what some people consider hunting. Ive never been able to put it into words that good, but that's about how I fell about it, well said.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Some interesting comments.
Let me start off by saying I am not anti-high fence as I have and will hunt exotics in the right type of high fence situation. That said, I understand and have no issue with those having an opinion that is different...we are all entitled to our views and can choose to hunt however one likes (assuming it is legal).
So as my handle implies, I live in VA and grew up in NY State. There were several estates there owned by some of the super rich (Rockefellers for one) that were high fence for privacy reasons not for the purposes of containing game. But they did hold some old native whitetails that were 150+ B&C. On occasion a few luck folks could get permission (I was never one) to hunt those properties to help control the deer numbers.
Do any of the anti-HF proponents on this post feel that this situation described above also falls into the standard HF argument and that any hunting on those estates is wrong/unethical and not fair chase? Or is it acceptable since these are native deer trapped in a high fence that was erected for privacy reasons and not specifically to contain the deer that are inside.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 06:03 PM
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TonyinVA, I don't think you are comparing apples to apples in your question. Erecting a high fence to keep people "out" is one thing, but erecting a high fence to keep deer in so that you can sell them is something else all together.
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