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#6055145 - 11/28/15 06:45 PM New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR
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Recently committed to a 16" AR in .308. Yup, getting back into the .308 business, hogs need killin!

Did a little research today, and was looking at target bullets to hopefully get better penetration anywhere on the hog, instead of expanding hunting bullets. Figured the 16" gas gun needs some help in the velocity department, and this is not a long range rifle (even though I will bag steel to 800 with it). This is a 300 yard and in, lay down some fire very quick into a sounder of hogs rifle. Shockingly, Sierra claims a G1 BC of .519! I was going into the research thinking of 155 Lapua Scenars, but the BC of the tipped Match King is so good, and as usual Sierras are a better price than many others, I have to give them a try. After talking with KRoyal, and learning his MV with 168 A-maxes, I should get these 155's north of 2600 fps MV out of a 16" barrel, with suppressor. That's pretty salty for a gas gun carbine!
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#6055183 - 11/28/15 07:08 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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I just finished working 155 Amax for two 16 inch barreled GII DPMS .308 and velocity for both was 2570ish so 2600 is possible for sure.
I used CFE223.

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#6055186 - 11/28/15 07:09 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: DStroud]
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I was planning on Varget.
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#6055188 - 11/28/15 07:11 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Also take a look at Barnes TTSX 130's or 150's.

Shot placement is still paramount, but the TTSX's will penetrate through the chest.


If I get into an incident like I did two weeks ago. Shot placement is kind of second thought. Sounder of 15-ish and I'm trying to hit as many hogs as fast as possible, before they make the tree line. I don't care if I just cripple them, I'll come back when things calm down and put one in the brain stem.

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#6055411 - 11/28/15 09:17 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Also take a look at Barnes TTSX 130's or 150's.

Shot placement is still paramount, but the TTSX's will penetrate through the chest.


If I get into an incident like I did two weeks ago. Shot placement is kind of second thought. Sounder of 15-ish and I'm trying to hit as many hogs as fast as possible, before they make the tree line. I don't care if I just cripple them, I'll come back when things calm down and put one in the brain stem.


I ended up erasing because I forgot you are talking about an AR.

If it will operate correctly, take a look at the Barnes which should produce some nice velocity for you. Varget works fine in those weight ranges, just not sure about if it will operate correctly.

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#6055424 - 11/28/15 09:22 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: jeffbird]
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I ordered 500 Tipped Match Kings 10 minutes before this thread. loco_too
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#6055932 - 11/29/15 10:15 AM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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They should work fine. 175 SMK's are my go to for hunting with the 308 and work fine on pigs.


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#6056135 - 11/29/15 12:29 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: jeffbird]
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I remembered you've had good success with them. That was part of my lack of reluctance for trying them.
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#6059213 - 11/30/15 07:43 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Recently committed to a 16" AR in .308. Yup, getting back into the .308 business, hogs need killin!

Did a little research today, and was looking at target bullets to hopefully get better penetration anywhere on the hog, instead of expanding hunting bullets. Figured the 16" gas gun needs some help in the velocity department, and this is not a long range rifle (even though I will bag steel to 800 with it). This is a 300 yard and in, lay down some fire very quick into a sounder of hogs rifle. Shockingly, Sierra claims a G1 BC of .519! I was going into the research thinking of 155 Lapua Scenars, but the BC of the tipped Match King is so good, and as usual Sierras are a better price than many others, I have to give them a try. After talking with KRoyal, and learning his MV with 168 A-maxes, I should get these 155's north of 2600 fps MV out of a 16" barrel, with suppressor. That's pretty salty for a gas gun carbine!


I saw where you already ordered but some food for thought. I have been running hornady 168 bthp in mine. I shot a buck the other day at 100 to 50 yards. Out of four hits, none of them expanded. Three of them were in the chest and both shoulders were broke. Lungs had nice little holes in them. Other hit was to the neck. Great penetration but no expansion. I'm going to go to the 178 Amax that I use in my other upper.

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#6059406 - 11/30/15 09:05 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: bo323]
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In the case of hogs, penetration is the key in my opinion. They are a cross between a bulldozer and a cockroach. Hard to kill but they must be destroyed. A man can't have too many bullets lying around, so I sure can order some Hornady BTHP. Hopefully I get to try all of them out on the selected targets.

Thanks for the report.
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#6059499 - 11/30/15 09:32 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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JG, what are the specs on the AR you are building? I like the 6.8 for the hog mission...easy follow up shots, but you are more proficient than I.
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#6059580 - 11/30/15 10:03 PM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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#6059905 - 12/01/15 07:28 AM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: FiremanJG]
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I'd bet they act a lot like the Amax instead of the old MatchKing. Either way I like the idea though.
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#6060025 - 12/01/15 08:16 AM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: Big Fitz]
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Originally Posted By: Big Fitz
JG, what are the specs on the AR you are building? I like the 6.8 for the hog mission...easy follow up shots, but you are more proficient than I.


Not building, purchased. 16" DPMS Recon. Light weight stock, free float tube, only needs rings, scope, and ammo. I'm going to perform load development with the suppressor on the end. That adds 10" to the length, but should help with recoil. It's a 10 pound rifle, but the suppressor and scope will add another 2 1/2.

The question is, Tim, will this AR hate me as so many others do?
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#6060030 - 12/01/15 08:18 AM Re: New project. 155 gr Tipped Match Kings in a 16" AR [Re: dee]
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Originally Posted By: dee
I'd bet they act a lot like the Amax instead of the old MatchKing. Either way I like the idea though.


I was afraid of that. Somethng makes me think the ole SMK is a stouter bullet than the A-max.
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