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#6040937 - 11/20/15 03:02 PM Pushing Water Question
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So the other thread about running a water line a long distance got me thinking about something I plan on doing on my place soon. Well within the next 6 months or so.

I'm currently hauling water 3500' to a feed pen so the wildlife have water at my stand, and its a good stand. I'm filling a water tote on my truck and gravity filling it at my stand. When it rains, I cant carry a half full tote to my stand. So I want to run a water line from my camp to my stand.

My options:

1) Buy a large storage tank and push water thru poly pipe by gravity flow to the trough. Its approx 2 to 3 feet in elevation change. Not good, I know, but will it work? I'm thinking not, but maybe someone might know for sure.

2) Connect poly pipe to my well and let the well push the water. Well produces 5 to 6 gal/min and its hooked up to a pressure tank ( 40 psi , I think ). Will that work?

3) Keep doing it the way I currently am. Just get tired of hauling water every 4 to 6 weeks.

Remember its approx 3500' from my well to the trough at my stand.

Any advice? Thanks.

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#6040960 - 11/20/15 03:24 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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3/4 hp Polaris pool cleaner pump, maybe a 1 hp
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#6040969 - 11/20/15 03:30 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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I'm not an expert, but we have a well similar to yours and the longest line on it is about 1500-1800 feet and it arrives with surprising pressure. Somebody here can tell you if 3500 is doable.

Are you at the place often? It would concern me if you are using a trough with a float directly connected to the well-if something happens to your float, you could run a whole lot of water out or damage your pump if you're not around to catch the problem. Maybe a large tank at the pen that you fill once every two-three months, that in turn fills the trough?

Good luck!
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#6040985 - 11/20/15 03:37 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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QSYB: thats the plan if we use the well, fill the totes in the feed pen with the well. I wouldnt leave the line pressurized if Im not there. Im just not a well expert, I have no clue if the well would push water that far with minimal elevation drop.

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#6040989 - 11/20/15 03:41 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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Might consider building a rain guzzler. I built one and it worked out quite well.
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#6041030 - 11/20/15 04:01 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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I would use a storage tank and elevate it if you are sure of the difference in grade. You could add troughs along the line also for more water locations. Using a storage tank is better IMO. You have water in it if the well fails. Both the storage tank and using the pressure tank will have their own problems down the line to deal with. Talk to Uvalco in Uvalde about your situation and get their feedback. They have the cheapest price on rolls of Polypipe. The sell a lot of it. A lot of people out west leave the black poly laying on top of the ground also.
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#6041047 - 11/20/15 04:12 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I would use a storage tank and elevate it if you are sure of the difference in grade. You could add troughs along the line also for more water locations. Using a storage tank is better IMO. You have water in it if the well fails. Both the storage tank and using the pressure tank will have their own problems down the line to deal with. Talk to Uvalco in Uvalde about your situation and get their feedback. They have the cheapest price on rolls of Polypipe. The sell a lot of it. A lot of people out west leave the black poly laying on top of the ground also.


I think all of the posts together might be your best option. Add a large storage tank at the well, and since you have electricity, use a pump (not the well) to push water from that tank to the totes at the pen. You could try the gravity first and see how long it take and if it works, and add the pump later if necessary.
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#6041049 - 11/20/15 04:13 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: stxranchman]
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We pump water up a 15' grade 1/2 mile with a 1/2 hp submersible pump with a pump dry shut off switch. Inch and a half pvc pipe to a 10,000 gal. storage. We gravity flow from there to five different pastures. Has worked well for over 45 years.


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#6041054 - 11/20/15 04:17 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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Dry Fire: I thought about that, but its alot of rock to build in.

Stx: Thanks for the info. We usually dont drive thru Uvalde to go to Rocksprings, but I think the next trip I will. I was going to buy the polypipe from a guy here, but hauling it a shorter distance is preferred, especially if its cheaper too. I was definitely planning on laying in on the ground. Only way to go in Rocksprings.

Thanks for the response KG


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#6041228 - 11/20/15 06:52 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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You can put a 1k gallon water tank at the well and use a jet pump pulling from it, you will get good psi. Let the well keep the large tank full and the jet pump only comes on, on demand.
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#6041291 - 11/20/15 07:22 PM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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Originally Posted By: newulmboy
Dry Fire: I thought about that, but its alot of rock to build in.

Stx: Thanks for the info. We usually dont drive thru Uvalde to go to Rocksprings, but I think the next trip I will. I was going to buy the polypipe from a guy here, but hauling it a shorter distance is preferred, especially if its cheaper too. I was definitely planning on laying in on the ground. Only way to go in Rocksprings.

Thanks for the response KG

They have the trailers to unspool the poly pipe rolls and the welder to splice transitions in. Very simple to use once they walk you thru it.
Or you could call these guys. We priced renting the trencher and buying the poly-pipe at dealer pricing to do it ourself and these guys could do it cheaper than we could doing it ourselves. I have used them twice in the past ten years now. Great people who have the equipment to do the job and the knowledge to do it right. Kenneth is a really nice guy.
http://www.quickline.cc/
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#6041902 - 11/21/15 10:33 AM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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For a price comparison I bought my 1 1/4" black poly at Cooper Supply in Coleman TX for $0.58/ft.
The come in 500' and 1000' spools I believe.
Ile STX said you can fuse them. You can also heat it up and hammer in a junction but it's lower quality.

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#6041976 - 11/21/15 11:49 AM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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Keep us informed how this project goes. I started thinking about friction loss when going over half a mile away from the pump, but it shouldn't be much at all. This is a very doable project. We want pictures.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pressure-loss-plastic-pipes-d_404.html
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#6041979 - 11/21/15 11:52 AM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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Distance is going to hurt you. Can you build a water tank close to your well to get the water up in the air higher then where it's going? Height is worse then distance, but in your case, it might be an option.

Of just a storage tank close to the well, probably what you are using now to haul the water. then a low voltage inline pump to slowly push the water there constantly that is either on a float or a timer.

They also make solar pumps that come on when the sun hits them and run all day as long as the sun is out that are used all over the world where there is no electricity.

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#6041986 - 11/21/15 11:57 AM Re: Pushing Water Question [Re: newulmboy]
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He is only supplying water for a deer water trough. So friction loss and volume are not that critical since it only one small trough. I have seen 1"-1 1/4" polypipe lines run in West Texas for 4000-5000 ft gravity flow for 250 gallon cattle troughs. They have been in place for a very long time.
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