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#6026244 - 11/12/15 05:10 PM Force Fetch
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I've gotten a lot of great advice and knowledge on here so far.

In your opinion, what training/conditioning needs to be complete before you start force fetch?

Thanks in advance.
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#6026281 - 11/12/15 05:31 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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Pointing breed or just retrieving?
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#6026286 - 11/12/15 05:34 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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On a lab, just retrieving.
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#6026351 - 11/12/15 06:08 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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The dog should have its adult teeth.

Should show some enthusiasm for retrieving.

Should be collar conditioned.

Basic obedience.

A good relationship with its handler/owner.
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#6026389 - 11/12/15 06:28 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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What if you have no intention of using a collar? Define basic OB. Sit, heel, here, give????
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#6026426 - 11/12/15 06:53 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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And if a dog already brings the down bird to you, is the Force Fetch needed?

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#6026460 - 11/12/15 07:17 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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My dog will bring anything back but force fetch is supposed to clean up a lot of issues with dropping birds before delivering to hand, being mouthy with the bird during retrieve, and several other bad habits they can acquire. I think it depends on how demanding you are going to be of your dog from what I have researched. If done properly, the dog is not supposed to release a bird or dummy... or anything you tell it to fetch until it is told to release.

I'm going to start mine on force fetch in about two months, he'll be around 8 months then.

Seems like one of the more difficult parts to training though, so I wanted to get some words of wisdom on it first :-)
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#6026465 - 11/12/15 07:19 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: passthru]
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Originally Posted By: passthru
What if you have no intention of using a collar? Define basic OB. Sit, heel, here, give????


I will jump in here.

There is no need for a collar. You can use an ear pinch or a toe pinch.

"Give" will be part of your "trained retrieve"/"force fetch" training.
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#6026481 - 11/12/15 07:26 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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So in very basic form the goal is to use pressure (ear pinch) until the dog takes the training tool in his mouth, immediately release the pressure when the dog secures the training tool, while assisting him to secure it at first, then command "give", then keep repeating the process until the dog understands to hold the object until directed to release it?

I know there is more to it than that, but in a nutshell that seems like the process.
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#6026493 - 11/12/15 07:30 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: Catch Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Catch Dog
And if a dog already brings the down bird to you, is the Force Fetch needed?


No, it is not, especially if your gun dog is retrieving various game well, and you are pleased. It is just another level of training and part of standard path to a fully finished gun dog (retriever or pointer).
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#6026510 - 11/12/15 07:40 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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Originally Posted By: hunting_guy
My dog will bring anything back but force fetch is supposed to clean up a lot of issues with dropping birds before delivering to hand, being mouthy with the bird during retrieve, and several other bad habits they can acquire. I think it depends on how demanding you are going to be of your dog from what I have researched. If done properly, the dog is not supposed to release a bird or dummy... or anything you tell it to fetch until it is told to release.

I'm going to start mine on force fetch in about two months, he'll be around 8 months then.

Seems like one of the more difficult parts to training though, so I wanted to get some words of wisdom on it first :-)


"Hold" is part of this process. "Fetch" is "pick it up". There are some great videos out there of the process. Have a look and ask questions.
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#6026514 - 11/12/15 07:42 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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I've researched two methods.

Traditional which includes ear pinch, walking fetch and stick fetch.

Hillmann's method which I am leaning toward which includes teaching the command "fetch" just like you would teach "sit" or "here" etc. Then use the e-collar to reinforce the command with repetition and numerous light nicks of the e-collar.

Leaning toward Hillmann's but have not decided. Might incorporate both.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QyADULYs8oc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-J-52dyi7Ng





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#6026521 - 11/12/15 07:47 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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Passthru, if you are not going to use an e-collar then i know you aren't going like traditional FF.

If you do not have any intention of using an e-collar and you do not like traditional FF then there is no way that I am aware of that you'll be able to force fetch your dog.

You really should spend some time on Bill Hillmann's blog and watching his YouTube videos. I think you'll like his approach and use of the e-collar.

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#6026526 - 11/12/15 07:49 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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I've been researching those Jay. Those videos help me tremendously... I've been following a guy named Freddy King on there... he has most everything broken down into steps that are pretty easy for someone new to training like me to follow. But I like getting everyone else's advice on here as well because it helps to foresee any problems that might occur as a result of a mistake I may make or something not mentioned in those videos.

Thanks again!!!
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#6026540 - 11/12/15 08:02 PM Re: Force Fetch [Re: hunting_guy]
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Brady I have no intention of force fetching my pup. I'm not man enough to handle that. I intend to pay a professional to do that. Chances are I will have her collar conditioned and trained as well. I was just asking that as a curiousity.

I know I will never be a force in the FT or HT circles and that is not my intent. However I wouldn't mind getting her at least a little something to put on her resume.
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