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#6004998 - 11/01/15 02:52 PM Gun trade/Ethics question
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Registered: 06/12/11
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Loc: Clairette
Would like some neutral thoughts on a dilemma that surfaced recently. I met a gentleman I found here on the forum and we did a gun exchange. When I got home I took the gun out to test fire it, but it went click, not boom. Most likely a firing pin. I asked the original owner to split the repair cost and he is hemming and hawing about it. Am I out of line asking for this? Thanks for your thoughts.

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#6005012 - 11/01/15 03:02 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
Savage388 Offline
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I think that's way better than fair. I have lots of guns, I know each will go bang. I highly doubt the man traded a gun he didn't know wouldn't fire. Did he mention any problem or apparent problem?
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#6005016 - 11/01/15 03:03 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
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Depends on the agreement you had with the seller.
If sold as is, you are out the repairs. No other way to translate that.
If the firearm was represented as in good working order, then you asking for help with repair is not beyond reasonable.
Without more details on the agreement to purchase, I got nothing else.

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#6005020 - 11/01/15 03:08 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: RHutch]
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Originally Posted By: RHutch
Depends on the agreement you had with the seller.
If sold as is, you are out the repairs. No other way the translate that.
If the firearm was represented as in good working order, then you asking for help with repair is not beyond reasonable.
Without more details on the agreement to purchase, I got nothing else.


What he said... confused2
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#6005124 - 11/01/15 04:25 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
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I agree, it depends on how it was represented. If it was a slight "con" job, I'd ask for my item back and nix the deal. Personally on that kind of deal, I'd do the exchange at a firing range and settle it at the time of swap.
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#6005141 - 11/01/15 04:35 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
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It's hard to tell from the OP, but have you confirmed there is a problem with the firing pin? I only ask because I've run across numerous bad rounds over the years that wouldn't fire because the primer was set too deep. Have you tried other ammo to see if it will fire them?
If there is a problem with the firing pin, I'm with some of the others. It all depends on how it was presented. If it was sold as a normal functioning rifle I would cry foul. If the seller said something like he bought it used and never fired it, I would say it's a buyer beware situation.
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#6005179 - 11/01/15 05:02 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: Grizz]
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Originally Posted By: Grizz
It's hard to tell from the OP, but have you confirmed there is a problem with the firing pin? I only ask because I've run across numerous bad rounds over the years that wouldn't fire because the primer was set too deep. Have you tried other ammo to see if it will fire them?
If there is a problem with the firing pin, I'm with some of the others. It all depends on how it was presented. If it was sold as a normal functioning rifle I would cry foul. If the seller said something like he bought it used and never fired it, I would say it's a buyer beware situation.


Exactly this.
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#6005255 - 11/01/15 05:48 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
603Country Offline
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Registered: 07/03/12
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I'd NEVER sell a gun that wouldn't shoot and not inform the buyer of that. I don't want to hear that baloney about "buyer beware". It's just wrong. Very wrong.

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#6005267 - 11/01/15 05:53 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: 603Country]
Grizz Online   content
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
I'd NEVER sell a gun that wouldn't shoot and not inform the buyer of that. I don't want to hear that baloney about "buyer beware". It's just wrong. Very wrong.


Maybe you missed the part where I said if the seller bought it used and had never fired it. In that scenario I would presume he did not know there was a problem. If he knew there was a problem and didn't disclose it, he's a sorry POS.
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#6005459 - 11/01/15 07:14 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
JRR Offline
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I've bought/traded and sold guns that I had never fired.

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#6005472 - 11/01/15 07:19 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
603Country Offline
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Loc: Central Texas
I guess I'm just not the trusting type. I automatically would not believe that the seller didn't know that the gun would not fire. I would instead believe that the seller bought it, found it wouldn't shoot and then flipped it. I guess I'm a quart low on trust, which is the direct result of disappointing experiences with people in the last half century. People will disappoint you.

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#6005701 - 11/01/15 09:01 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
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I bought a gun on here a couple of years ago from another member. I knew the track record of the model he was selling and I specifically asked him if he ever had any jams or other issues with the gun. He told me no and that it worked perfectly. The price was right and against my better judgement I bought it despite knowing these guns were jamomatics. Sure enough I took it out to shoot it and have only seen one mag that will function in it correctly.

No way the guy was telling the truth when he sold me that gun. That's just the character of some people though and I never bothered to contact him about it because I figured if he lied once he will just lie again.

I would just pay for the repairs out of your own pocket and move on. It sounds like a pretty inexpensive fix and life is too short to have to deal with @$&holes like that more than once.

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#6005806 - 11/01/15 10:26 PM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
maximum Offline
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i've sold at least one gun to a member that i'd
never fired. if it turned out to be inoperable,
i'd be inclined to swap back or refund for the
sale if need be. i wouldn't knowingly sell anything
i knew was defective. kharma and murphy sometimes
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#6005989 - 11/02/15 07:20 AM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
White Falcon Offline
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Registered: 10/11/09
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Loc: Holly Lake Ranch Tx.
Been screwed several times buying used guns!! Will never purchase another USED gun! My $.02

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#6006021 - 11/02/15 07:35 AM Re: Gun trade/Ethics question [Re: texasdude28]
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NO, he should make things right, maybe he knew, maybe he didn't, the stand up thing for him to do is make it right.
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