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#6004910 - 11/01/15 01:40 PM Stay out? Am I pressuring?
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I had been seeing these two nice bucks that I had posted here on camera regularly, mostly at night but occasionally during the day .. I have been spending ALOT of time on the stand, but taking extreme scent tactics every time I go in . The two bucks have basically vanished off camera. Haven't seen either in a few weeks . Every tin I am hunting I am seeing 10 deer a day and some different bucks but of course not the shooters . Do you think my scent is pressuring them out of the area? Or it's simply they aren't making an appearance? Just keep sitting or stay out for a little while and see if they come back?

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#6004957 - 11/01/15 02:19 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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They are looking for the ladies. They will wander back thru your area but may not stay long unless you have does in your area.
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#6004960 - 11/01/15 02:21 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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No amount of "scent tactics" will ever eliminate your scent.

They are probably roaming and checking the ladies.
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#6005025 - 11/01/15 03:15 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: 5Redman8]
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Originally Posted By: 5Redman8
No amount of "scent tactics" will ever eliminate your scent.


I remember reading two separate articles about the same study a grad student did on hunting pressure one a large lease in the Carolinas. It was a very exhaustive study that included over a 100 stand sites with tight controls. I'll see if I can dig it up, but the results clearly showed that deer quickly respond to human presence at site sights no matter how hard you try to avoid detection. He found that older bucks would avoid a stand after a single occurrence of detecting a hunter, and a significant idle period with no human activity before they returned.

Of course you will find no shortage of those who defend their routines by saying deer get used to them driving all over their leases and parking their ATV's next to their stand sites. And during the rut when a buck is so sex crazed that it might chase a doe through the middle of their camp, they luck out and take a trophy. However, the old saying "They don't get old being stupid" is as true today as it was at any time in the past.

"More than 100 stands are spread throughout the property. For each one, McCoy designated a visual danger zone of 100-150 yards around it, meaning bucks that moved into the danger zone put themselves at risk of being harvested. At any one time hunters occupied 20 to 30 different stands. Each hunter was dropped off at their stand before dawn, stayed until lunch, and then returned to their stand in the afternoon.

By the end of the study, McCoy found that each adult (2½ years of age and older) buck’s location averaged 55 yards farther from stands than at the beginning of the study period, demonstrating that adult bucks adjusted their movements in response to hunting pressure. Yearling bucks did not move farther away from stands as the season progressed. McCoy noted that yearlings were protected from hunter harvest, so they didn’t need to move farther from stands as the season progressed.

If a buck stayed out of the danger zone of a stand, McCoy surmised the deer was responding to hunting pressure. He was surprised to learn how quickly bucks would react to the presence of hunters.

“After a hunter had sat in a stand just one time, bucks would stay out of the danger zone of that stand for the next three full days, meaning they wouldn’t return, on average, until the fourth day,” explained McCoy. “This finding held regardless of whether the hunter had shot at a deer. Just occupying the stand made bucks stay clear of it for several days.”

Another interesting finding was that the age of each buck did not affect the likelihood of it staying clear of danger zones. In other words, younger deer weren’t more likely to move through danger zones than older bucks, dispelling the long-held assumption that mature bucks are more intelligent than younger bucks (see sidebar).

Not surprisingly, use of bait sites during daylight hours decreased as the hunting season progressed. At the beginning of the season, half of all visits to bait sites occurred during shooting hours. By the end of the season, only one in four visits were made during daylight hours."

http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/big-game-hunting/how-much-hunting-pressure-is-too-much-for-deer/
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#6005130 - 11/01/15 04:26 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
They are looking for the ladies. They will wander back thru your area but may not stay long unless you have does in your area.


Oh yea, I've got 10-15 does that are at my feeder regularly

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#6005135 - 11/01/15 04:28 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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Originally Posted By: jcarroll3
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
They are looking for the ladies. They will wander back thru your area but may not stay long unless you have does in your area.


Oh yea, I've got 10-15 does that are at my feeder regularly


Best scent you can have on your place. Wont be the 1st time "doe perfume" pulls in a twisted mental buck.
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#6005159 - 11/01/15 04:49 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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It was just weird how they seemed to disappear

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#6005161 - 11/01/15 04:49 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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I reckon I will just keep on sitting

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#6005191 - 11/01/15 05:07 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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Originally Posted By: jcarroll3
It was just weird how they seemed to disappear


A season never passes in East Texas when you won't hear someone make that comment three weeks into the general season.
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#6005215 - 11/01/15 05:16 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
noland Offline
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Every Year we always have certain bucks that will disappear from our cameras. But we always seem to see them again later in the season while hunting. I honestly don't believe the all the mature bucks even visit a feeder. I put a feeder out for the does and the does are what bring me the bucks. So I wouldn't worry about it too much I bet they are just busy.

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#6005568 - 11/01/15 08:04 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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If you have the ladies, they will come back around!

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#6006386 - 11/02/15 11:08 AM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: Texas Dan]
jcarroll3 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Originally Posted By: jcarroll3
It was just weird how they seemed to disappear


A season never passes in East Texas when you won't hear someone make that comment three weeks into the general season.


I know .... dang you deep Piney Woods Thickets

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#6006446 - 11/02/15 11:40 AM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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What has happened, happens a lot at the first of the season. You have changed your times you are out on the lease to before daylight and after dark. I have seen this many times where people change their patterns on a ranch and it will change deer movement. If the does are still around the bucks will be there.
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#6006602 - 11/02/15 12:47 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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Pulled camera card.

He was there night before last at 11 o'clock, and then last night at 9 o'clock, and 2 oclock. He also is taking the time to stop and work the mock scrapes I made. Should I stay out and let him get comfortable in the evenings? Or is he likely to make a middle of the day appearance

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#6006733 - 11/02/15 01:51 PM Re: Stay out? Am I pressuring? [Re: jcarroll3]
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Just try not to bump any deer entering or leaving the stand. Do not leave till all deer are gone in the evenings is the most critical IME.
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