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#5993752 - 10/25/15 04:53 PM Leupold’s Custom Dial System
Hopedale Offline
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Anyone using this?
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#5993784 - 10/25/15 05:16 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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Waste of money.

Get a Mil/ Mil scope and label the turrets yourself, with a label maker. When the environmental conditions change, and your trajectory changes you can adjust as needed.

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#5993866 - 10/25/15 05:54 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Waste of money.

Get a Mil/ Mil scope and label the turrets yourself, with a label maker. When the environmental conditions change, and your trajectory changes you can adjust as needed.



I used this tip from you after I took your shooting class Fireman, I love it!
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#5993892 - 10/25/15 06:11 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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Originally Posted By: Hopedale
Anyone using this?


Great in theory. But only applicable to one bullet at one velocity at one condition.

The more posted solution on the board is to use mil or Moa turrets for more control

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#5993961 - 10/25/15 06:46 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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The VX3 CDS was a waste of money for me. It didn't track well when I pulled it out of the box and tracked worse after Leupold "fixed" it. I'm sure others have had better luck. I would love to hear of some scopes, in that price range, that track well enough to depend on when hunting.

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#5993965 - 10/25/15 06:52 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: TxHunter80]
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Originally Posted By: TxHunter80
The VX3 CDS was a waste of money for me. It didn't track well when I pulled it out of the box and tracked worse after Leupold "fixed" it. I'm sure others have had better luck. I would love to hear of some scopes, in that price range, that track well enough to depend on when hunting.


This one will
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-16x44-Viper-HS-T-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P63837.aspx
If it doesn't then Vortex will fix it. The 2 I've had tracked as close to perfect as I can shoot, and would always return to ZERO.
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Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin

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#5993968 - 10/25/15 06:53 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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I will say that the CDS has some limitations that posters above have mentioned BUT if you are aware of them then it works as advertised. In fact the picture that FiremanJG posted showing a homemade version which is essentially the exact same system only not as permanent proves it is effective. The advantage of CDS is an etched turret that is durable and clean looking but does limit you to that load and set of conditions..... which for some folks is completely acceptable.
The best example I can give is I have a good friend who wanted a 7mm WM just for hunting his ranch in the Davis Mountains. He likes the caliber as he uses it on his S Texas Ranches but wanted to be able to make longer shots on Aaudad and Elk out west.
Horizon Firearms built the rifle and I mounted a Leupold and calibrated his CDS for his load and the conditions out West and last year he was 3 for 3 on shots from 550 to 642.
Some of the pictures of his kills are on Horizons web page.

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#5993989 - 10/25/15 07:04 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: TxHunter80]
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Originally Posted By: TxHunter80
The VX3 CDS was a waste of money for me. It didn't track well when I pulled it out of the box and tracked worse after Leupold "fixed" it. I'm sure others have had better luck. I would love to hear of some scopes, in that price range, that track well enough to depend on when hunting.



I have had better luck. I have mounted 4 VX3's and 2 VX6's and all tracked well (not all were perfect but close)and returned to zero. I never took them past 750 yards I must admit. They were on hunting rifles not Tactical precision type weapons. I personally don't use the CDS but for some folks it is a viable option.

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#5994000 - 10/25/15 07:08 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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What's a good way to test if your scope is tracking well?

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#5994019 - 10/25/15 07:16 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: el_cazador713]
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Originally Posted By: jvr_dejesus
What's a good way to test if your scope is tracking well?


Make a dot on a piece of paper. Shoot 4 shots into that dot, then turn your windage 6 inches right and fire 4 more times at the dot, then turn the elevation up 6 inches and fire 4 more shots at the dot, then turn windage 6 inches left and fire 4 more shots, then turn elevation down 6 inches and fire 4 more shots, you should at that point have 8 shots in the original dot. That's how I do it
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Ever spit it out rather than swallow it?

Originally Posted By: pegasaurus
Enjoy it while you can. One day you might be complaining about NOT getting random pop-ups in the morning. grin

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#5994022 - 10/25/15 07:17 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
scottfromdallas Offline
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I have one sitting in a box that I picked up a few weeks ago. A VX3 3.5-10x. It was on sale at $400 down from $550. I had $200 in Cabela's points so I took a chance on it. I plan on playing with it after hunting season. You can do the same thing with tactical turrets for sure but Leupold's tend to be lighter which can help if you are trying to keep rifle weight down.
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#5994046 - 10/25/15 07:24 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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I use it and for my needs it has worked. I set it up for an average for the places I hunt and a specific bullet.

If you're a person that hunts the same topography and you're not a tactical dude or wannabe within 5-600 yards it will work fine.

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#5994084 - 10/25/15 07:39 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: el_cazador713]
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Originally Posted By: jvr_dejesus
What's a good way to test if your scope is tracking well?


there are multiple ways to accomplish the task. I try to test both tracking reliablity and check to see if my scope is tracking straight up vertically at the same time.
I take a large paper target usually 4' tall at 100 yards. You can draw a line vertically and then hang it straight with a level or easier just hang a plum line. Put a sticky dot near the bottom just to one side of your vertical line. I shoot one shot at the dot then dial 10 mil elevation ( if MOA I dial 15-20 elevation)and you should theoretically hit 36 inches higher and the same distance from the line as the dot you are still aiming at. Dial back to zero and you should hit the original dot. Clear as mud right! cool
I used to check windage but not so much anymore as it's not as critical to me personally for most applications.

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#5994095 - 10/25/15 07:44 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: BigPig]
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Originally Posted By: BigPig
Originally Posted By: jvr_dejesus
What's a good way to test if your scope is tracking well?


Make a dot on a piece of paper. Shoot 4 shots into that dot, then turn your windage 6 inches right and fire 4 more times at the dot, then turn the elevation up 6 inches and fire 4 more shots at the dot, then turn windage 6 inches left and fire 4 more shots, then turn elevation down 6 inches and fire 4 more shots, you should at that point have 8 shots in the original dot. That's how I do it


What scope tracks in inches?

jvr_dejesus,

You have to have a super tight shooting rifle to shoot it. The better method involves one shot, and no others, but you need the rifle locked in so it cannot move.

Make an "X" on the top of a 3' tall piece of paper at 100 yards. If you are in Mils, come down 3.6" and make a narrow line, 3.6" from tjere and make another one, repeat until you are 36" down from the X.

Make the scope look dead center of the "X". THE SCOPE CANNO MOVE FOR THIS TO WORK!

Dial impact up 1.0 Mil, the reticle should now be looking exactly on the first hash mark below the "X", make any notes telling perfect, high or low in Mils. Dial impact up 2.0 Mils, the reticle should be exactly on the second line below the "X". Repeat for as many Mils as you will ever dial.

If you want to shoot it to see (need a very tight shooting rifle) make the X on the bottom of the paper. Check zero there. Dial up 1.0 Mil, shoot one round. The bullet hole should measure 1.0 Mil above the "X" in the reticle, repeat as far up as you would like.

Replace the Mil with MOA if you have an MOA scope. Then you would make a line 1" above the "X", 2" above, ect.

Checking windage tracking is not something I ever do, since I rarely dial wind anyway. Elevation is way more important since it is dialed all the time.
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#5994136 - 10/25/15 07:58 PM Re: Leupold’s Custom Dial System [Re: Hopedale]
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Originally Posted By: DStroud
I will say that the CDS has some limitations that posters above have mentioned BUT if you are aware of them then it works as advertised. In fact the picture that FiremanJG posted showing a homemade version which is essentially the exact same system only not as permanent proves it is effective. The advantage of CDS is an etched turret that is durable and clean looking but does limit you to that load and set of conditions..... which for some folks is completely acceptable.
The best example I can give is I have a good friend who wanted a 7mm WM just for hunting his ranch in the Davis Mountains. He likes the caliber as he uses it on his S Texas Ranches but wanted to be able to make longer shots on Aaudad and Elk out west.
Horizon Firearms built the rifle and I mounted a Leupold and calibrated his CDS for his load and the conditions out West and last year he was 3 for 3 on shots from 550 to 642.
Some of the pictures of his kills are on Horizons web page.


The difference is that I actually shot every distance, wrote down perfect corrections, then attached the labels after the fact. Any tracking error in the scope was built into the labels as opposed to relying solely on a ballistic calculator to give predicted corrections. And the ballistic calculator assumes a perfectly tracking scope, which rarely exists.
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