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#5987677 - 10/21/15 02:42 PM Doe Management?
ThreePeppers Offline
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Registered: 11/06/06
Posts: 367
Loc: Fort Worth/Kent County
Wondering how you guys pick which does to take out of the herd. Do you just look for the oldest, fattest doe you can find or is there a real thought process behind it. I'd like to take a couple out this year but want to leave plenty of buck lure out there. Is there a difference in the heat cycles of old vs young? Ability to carry twins? Does either give off a stronger estrus scent and are the bucks attracted to one over the other or do they even care? Thanks in advance for all the advice.

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#5987684 - 10/21/15 02:48 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
esnow74 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/12
Posts: 257
Loc: Ellis County, TX
interesting topic, I have always thought maybe early season was best time to reduce the risk of shooting 3 deer with one shot, pregnant with twins. I know that may be over thinking it but have just always kind of wondered if anyone took that into consideration. Also what about bow season when a doe has fawns with her? I was about to let an arrow fly on a doe last weekend but while I watched for a while to let them get nice and calm, the fawn tried to nurse. I do not know if the doe was still producing milk but it made me decide to wait another week or two or maybe find one without fawns. I'm not trying to steal the thread but just wanted to add to the discussion.

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#5987688 - 10/21/15 02:50 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
jrgocards Offline
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Registered: 10/27/09
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When bow hunting I shoot the 1st doe that presents a good shot. Gun hunting I'll take the biggest doe in a group.

JR

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#5987699 - 10/21/15 02:59 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
ThreePeppers Offline
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Registered: 11/06/06
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Loc: Fort Worth/Kent County
snow... I agree with you on the pregnancy thing. I've always thought they should have the doe and spike season before the general season instead of at the end. Doesn't make any sense to me to be shooting does in mid Jan and if you're going to take the spikes for management reasons then before the rut would make more sense. One of the does I'm looking at is considerably bigger than the others and looks like she might be nursing.



Edited by ThreePeppers (10/21/15 03:20 PM)

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#5987793 - 10/21/15 04:24 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
Mavric Offline
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Registered: 01/14/11
Posts: 248
Loc: Allen Texas
There are several reasons to keep the large mature does on your place....the biggest reason is does pass down genetics as well.

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#5987806 - 10/21/15 04:31 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
fouzman Offline
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Loc: Houston, TX
Depends on your situation. If you only have to kill a few, you can be choosy about looking them over and taking does that suit you.

If you have a bunch to kill and few hunters to do it, a doe is a doe, regardless of age. We've got to kill 40 this year and I'll probably shoot at least 25 of them. A doe fawn will get shot just as quick as a mature one. We're MLD and I should have already killed at least 10, but I can't go during the week and we've had one heavy and two moderate rains at the ranch the past three weekends. Getting around that area of Webb Co. is very difficult when it's wet. Plus, it tears some of the roads up.



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#5987815 - 10/21/15 04:38 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
QuitShootinYoungBucks Offline
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Registered: 11/01/12
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Loc: Lubbock, TX
We used to hunt bucks first and then fill our license/allotment out later in the year with does, but after reading some of STX' posts I've come to think you ought to be shooting does as early as possible so your bucks don't waste time/effort impregnating a doe that you're going to shoot.

As for which ones to shoot, if you're under a management plan you ought to shoot the oldest ones first as those are least likely to have the genetics you've been trying to propogate. Of course that depends on the amount of time you've been managing-there might be some older does that have great genetics.

I like to shoot dry does if possible, or does with single or large fawns. I try to leave does that have small/young fawns that might still be nursing and can use mama to keep them pointed in the right direction.
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#5987831 - 10/21/15 04:45 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
fouzman Offline
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I've tried the bucks first approach, too. stx partially convinced me of the opposite tact several years ago. What really solidified as many does as possible early for me was trying to kill does during and long after the primary rut. They go underground big time on our place during that period.

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#5987855 - 10/21/15 04:56 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
stxranchman Offline
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A lot depends on the ranch, the location in the state and population numbers. I will shoot does differently on a ranch that has not been managed compared to one that has been managed. I will shoot does at a different time of the season in South Texas compared to the Hill Country. What age doe I select is totally dependent on what the buck side looks like and if the ranch has been managed. Like posted above, if you have a lot to shoot then if it is brown it is down. As far as killing a bred doe or lactating doe, I will not make a lot of difference IMO. All does should be bred during the season. If you have a bad buck to doe ration then no telling who or what is doing the breeding. If you have a good buck to doe ratio a buck is not breeding that many does in one season. If he is mature then he has bred a few does over the year, so it still not critical. What you do with the does on a ranch can shape it for the future years. I am firm believer you can do more for your deer herd with doe management then continue in the future killing select does and bucks off. If you are doing things right your younger deer will be better than their parents.
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#5987888 - 10/21/15 05:13 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: stxranchman]
fouzman Offline
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I am firm believer you can do more for your deer herd with doe management then continue in the future killing select does and bucks off. If you are doing things right your younger deer will be better than their parents.


Not to mention that young does seem to have a higher % of buck vs. doe fawns in well balanced herds.

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#5987891 - 10/21/15 05:15 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: fouzman]
stxranchman Offline
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I am firm believer you can do more for your deer herd with doe management then continue in the future killing select does and bucks off. If you are doing things right your younger deer will be better than their parents.


Not to mention that young does seem to have a higher % of buck vs. doe fawns.

Yes they do. That dictates what you are wanting do after a survey when you start to manage a place.
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#5987910 - 10/21/15 05:30 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
ThreePeppers Offline
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Registered: 11/06/06
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Loc: Fort Worth/Kent County
That's great information. You guys are a wealth of information as always.

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#5987976 - 10/21/15 06:25 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
TXRobTRX Offline
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Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 39
Loc: East Texas
appreciate the info - you guys got me thinking to reverse and start after the does first

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#5988105 - 10/21/15 07:36 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
Txduckman Offline
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On my lease we only take 2 to 3 a year so not picky. At other places, try to get an older one.

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#5988151 - 10/21/15 07:56 PM Re: Doe Management? [Re: ThreePeppers]
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One of the most overlooked aspects of management ...
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