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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: booradley]
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10/20/15 02:32 PM
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I know guys who have, but I wouldn't trust a boresighted scope to be on target enough to hunt with. Bore sighting will usually get it on paper, but that could be as much as 8-10" off. By the time you get to a store, buy a rifle, wait for the background check, pick out a scope, have it mounted, have it boresighted, pay, and drive home, you could have gone to a range and sighted in the 30/30. Have spent $500 less dollars, and be ready to go opening morning, plus, have put a few rounds down range to shake the cobwebs off. Are you suggesting he forego a scope and just use iron sights on the 30-30? If his eyes are good enough that is a viable option. You are correct about boresighting. All it is guaranteed to do is get a rifle on paper at 25 yards. You said you know of someone that went hunting with a rifle that was not sighted in, just boresighted. That's crazy. There are so many people who think boresighting will put them on the bullseye at 100 yards. A few weeks ago a guy brought his rifle into the store and asked to speak with me. He said, "You mounted and boresighted the scope on this rifle and when I took it to the range it was one inch low and three inches to the right at 100 yards". With a big smile on my face I said, "Wow, I did an excellent job on your scope, thanks". He got pissed and left the store. I also believe a 4-12 is too much scope for the OP. I've seen a couple of situations where 4X was too high for a very close shot. You can also get a much better scope in a 2-7 for under $200.00 than you can a 4-12. No, I'm not suggesting he use iron sights, unless of course he's proficient with them I suppose. I think his 30/30 has a scope on it that isn't sighted in. Unless I read that incorrectly. And yea, a buddy of my dad's bought a new rifle on the way to the lease one weekend. Had the store boresight the scope, and shot a deer with it that weekend. Clean DRT kill. But he was incredibly lucky as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: Back 96]
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10/20/15 02:38 PM
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rickym
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Yeah put a 1-5 or 2-7 power scope on it. Even if your a little over 100 yards you have plenty of scope power with the 2-7
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: Back 96]
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10/20/15 05:54 PM
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I shot my Wyoming Antelope loooong time ago with a 257Rbts M70 wearing a Vari X II 2x7 Fine Cross Hair reticle....at 440+ yards...Almost ran out of the bullet's reach before I ran out of scope's magnification...in that hyper clear mountain air at about 6500' at the very top of the headwaters of the Medicine Bow River... Just Sayin Ron
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: Back 96]
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10/20/15 11:08 PM
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McKinneyHusker
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That 30-30 is a versatile rifle, you can get factory loaded ammo in 125gr, 140gr, 150gr, 160gr, 165gr, and 170gr. If you reload or want to get into reloading, you have even more options.
It makes a nice handy package for the type of hunting your describing.
Will 2nd booradley's scope choice, stay with a 2x7, or if you want to spend a bit more look at the Leupold VX-2 in the 1x4 or the VX-Hog by Leupold.
Now another option would be to get a Skinner Peep sight.
Won't argue with the others about the 06' and it's abilities, you can load it up or down, just don't discount that 30-30.
Best advice is pick the rifle you like shooting the most and get it setup for your season.
Good Luck, with whatever decision you make.
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: nsmike]
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10/20/15 11:40 PM
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booradley
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Just in case someone miss understood me. I did say get it bore sighted and it should take less than 30 minutes on the range fine tuning it. I did misunderstand you, sorry about that.
Don’t roll those bloodshot eyes at me.
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: Back 96]
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10/21/15 12:17 AM
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booradley
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I always buy the best scope I can afford. In the past there have been numerous Fullfield II's. I personally prefer them over the Diamondback, but that is for my eyes. For someone else it might be the opposite. For the past year I've been working the gun counter at Cabela's. As such I get Dealer pricing on several brands of scopes. I commandeered my son's 336W when I bought him a 30-06(the 30-30 wasn't cool enough anymore). It originally had a Fullfield II 2-7x35 that I that I upgraded to a Viper 2-7 a couple of years later. Last September I bought a VX-3 1.75-6x32 for it which is the perfect scope for me on that rifle. I would never have done that except I was able to get it for $25.00 more than what I was able to sell the Viper for. I ordered it with a the Heavy Duplex reticle because it doesn't come in the German #4 which is my favorite. When the scope came and I mounted it and tried to boresight the windage adjustment wouldn't track. That was lucky for me because I had to send the scope back and Leupold installed a German #4 at no charge since they had to disassemble the scope anyway. Truth be told the only advantage I get with the VX-3 over the Fullfield is at night on hogs. The reticle is more visible in low light and so is the sight picture. The glass isn't as significantly better as would be expected though when taking the cost difference into consideration.
It is legal to hunt in low light in Europe. Scopes manufactured in Europe or that are of European origin are better in low light than scopes of American or Pacific Rim origin. Burris is owned by Beretta(European) and as such their scopes are better for my eyes in low light than some other scopes costing considerably more, i.e. a Viper. YMMV.
If I knew I would never go past 100 yards I would go with a 1-4 scope. But since I occasionally have opportunities at more than twice 100 yards then a little higher power works better for me.
Last edited by booradley; 10/21/15 12:20 AM.
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: Back 96]
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10/22/15 12:23 AM
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ronlhodges
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If it has the factory open sights then put the little slide on the second notch. Your good for up to 50 yds. If you need more distance then the third notch will get you a good 100 yds. That's about all you need with a 30-30 lever action. Basically it's a 94' model? I keep mine on second notch for 50 yds.
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Re: New Deer Rifle
[Re: Back 96]
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10/22/15 12:27 AM
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ronlhodges
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by the way I thought I better mention that I use 150 grain ammo.
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