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#5973913 - 10/12/15 04:19 PM Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options.
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I have a pre 64 winchester model 70 coming to me. I would like to oil finish the stock. I believe this is the way they came from the factory. I have read about tung oil and tru oil and that the tru oil is thick and sticky vs the tung oil. I'm not trying to refinish the stock just bring back a little grain and maybe some color. Is there a certain type of oil that works better than the other? Method of application? Any pre 64 gurus out there?
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#5973961 - 10/12/15 04:46 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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I have the definitive book on the Model 70, written by Roger Rule. There is NO mention of oil finishing on the standard rifles.
Stocks were sanded, filled and lacquer finished, thruout their production. A change was made in 1959; the filler color was changed to a "warm Brown" to color the poorer grade of walnut which was all that was available.
After 1946, stocks could be special ordered with a "French Polish" finish. The extra charge was $9.35. rifle

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#5973983 - 10/12/15 04:55 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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#5974135 - 10/12/15 06:23 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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I think they all have a lacquer finish. I wanted to do the same with mine. Since it will ruin any collector value, I decided against it. I think it would look good. I also looked at having a stock built for it, re-blued, the whole nine yards, jeez , very expensive. I think on gunbroker or somewhere I saw some , pre finished stocks which were VERY nice but kinda expensive.

Se if yours is a shooter and go from there .
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#5974165 - 10/12/15 06:41 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Jack O'Connor's two .270s, both pre64 M70s, were possibly the most famous hunting rifles of our era. He often wrote that he used linseed oil on the stocks, which were both re-stocked with "Circassian" walnut.

I've refinished 2-3 wood stocks with TruOil, but none were pre64 factory stocks. I bet a call to Winchester might turn up an older guy who could steer you in the right direction.
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#5974198 - 10/12/15 07:05 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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If you do decide to refinish the stock, there are plenty of options, and I've tried several. First one I tried, and it turned out pretty good, was hand rubbed Boiled Linseed Oil. After that, by a few years, I tried Watco Danish Oil, and that looked better than the BLO. I tried Minwax Antique Oil, which looked really nice, but it and the Danish Oil won't keep out moisture (BLO won't either). Most recent finish, and the best by far, was Waterlox Original in Satin. It has Tung Oil in it and will fill the grain and build a coat, the thickness of which depends on how many coats.

Apply in thin coats, with a small foam brush, so that the finish won't sag or run, and 3 coats will look good. More coats will look even better as the pores are filled and the finish builds. One coat per day and let it cure for a month. I hung the stock in my workshop, from an eyelet screw in the butt. You'll want very good lighting so you can see any spots you missed as you apply it.

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#5974282 - 10/12/15 07:39 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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Thanks for all the info guys!! A little more info on the gun for y'all. Its a standard model, chambered in 270 wcf(win), the serial puts production in 1948. Serial and bolt numbers match, the rear sight looks to have been ground down and left in dovetail. What rear sight did they come with? Ive seen 2 types. The stock may have been refinished in the past. I say that because it doesn't look lacquered. It looks orangish/reddish, and kind of dull and a little dirty. Has a few little dents in the wood but no real gouges. It also has a cheek riser on the buttstock, I don't think its original to the stock. I will post picks when I get it to share more. I thank y'all for the help and anymore y'all may have.
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#5974612 - 10/12/15 10:04 PM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: dawaba]
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Originally Posted By: dawaba
Jack O'Connor's two .270s, both pre64 M70s, were possibly the most famous hunting rifles of our era. He often wrote that he used linseed oil on the stocks, which were both re-stocked with "Circassian" walnut.

I've refinished 2-3 wood stocks with TruOil, but none were pre64 factory stocks. I bet a call to Winchester might turn up an older guy who could steer you in the right direction.

Jack O'Conner's 270's were custom stocked by Al Biesen. Jack often wrote about rubbing them with boiled linseed oil and letting them stand for a few days until the oil soaked in/dried.

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#5974809 - 10/13/15 07:14 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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Oil finished stocks are beautiful if done right. The oil needs to be applied in thin coats, hand rubbing thins the oil, allowing it to fill the pores. The critical thing is that each coat must be completely dry before a new coat is applied or you get soft dull areas. French polish is the same, except after each layer is dried, it's rubbed with a rotten cloth filled with rouge. The result can be a mirror finish.
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#5974887 - 10/13/15 08:10 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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No they used varnish...shellac what every you want to call it....oil finish is not for production rifles...and it was very much a production rifle...even in the good ol days. I have owned many pre 64 M70s and all had varnish/shellac on the stock.

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#5974908 - 10/13/15 08:20 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: 505ed]
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Originally Posted By: 505ed
No they used varnish...shellac what every you want to call it....oil finish is not for production rifles...and it was very much a production rifle...even in the good ol days. I have owned many pre 64 M70s and all had varnish/shellac on the stock.

Check with Winchester. Sorry, you are incorrect.

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#5975015 - 10/13/15 09:18 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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This kit is available http://www.midwayusa.com/product/160127/galazan-pre-64-winchester-stock-finish-kit-with-instructions It contains lacquer. The optional French polish is an oil finish so it would not be wrong for higher grade guns. correction I was wrong about a french polish it's shellac and oil not just an oil finish.


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#5975073 - 10/13/15 09:42 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: nsmike]
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There was some differences in the pre 64's, the standard, the low comb, feather weight(think it had drilled bolt), the cheek piece was part of some versions. The checkering on pre 64 rifles wasn't the steamed and stamped, the later Westerns were more stamped out guns and high gloss Remington type finish. My dad has some spare pre 64 stocks he keeps around. You can take some of the dents out with damp towel and iron if you take your time and depending on how bad they are. Dad uses Linseed oil when he recuts checkering.
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#5975262 - 10/13/15 11:35 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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French Polish is Shellac, not oil of any type. The reason it's called French Polish is the application method. Shellac makes a good stock finish, and scratches should be easy to repair.

I used to be a fan of Boiled Linseed Oil on stocks. I'm not now. Rather use Tung Oil. Much rather use the Waterlox Original in Satin.

I have a distant relative that is a pro woodworker. He makes small tables that sell for thousands of dollars. He's famous, and famous raises the price. I was visiting him and asked what finish he used. Looked quite fancy. He said it was Waterlox Original in Satin. I started using it on wooden table and things that I made. Looked great. Then I decided to redo the finish on my old Ruger M77, which I had put a rubbed BLO finish on some years ago. I went online to see what folks were using these days. Some used wiping varnishes (Watco Danish Oil and Minwax Antique Oil are that). Some used TruOil. And some used the Waterlox Original. Hmmm. Well, I had some of that, so I used it on the Ruger stock. Excellent results. It isn't a fast finish and it takes time to cure, but it really looks nice and you can build a finish and fill the pores in the wood for a smooth glassy result.

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#5975283 - 10/13/15 11:49 AM Re: Pre 64 win 70 stock finish options. [Re: ju993rnaut]
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The process is lengthy and very repetitive. There are also many similar variations in schedule and technique. What is described here is one such schedule. The finish is obtained through a specific combination of different rubbing motions (generally circles and figure-eights), waiting for considerable time, building up layers of polish and then spiriting off any streaks left in the surface.

The fad is first used to put a thinned coat of shellac on, then thicker coats with small amounts of superfine pumice, a crushed volcanic glass. The pumice acts both as a fine abrasive and to fill the pores of open-grain woods. Each coat must be fully dry before the next application, to avoid lifting out the softened finish.

The 'fad' is mostly lubricated with an oil that is integrated into the overall finish.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_polish
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