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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/07/15 03:01 AM
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Yeah me too....and it willbe because the deer ducks My arrow and not because I made a bad shot Still waiting for that opportunity Good Luck
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 04:00 AM
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I didn't see much drop in that doe. That arrow didn't penetrate much for a 300 fps bow either. Maybe the broadhead or hit a shoulder It went all the way to the opposite shoulder and and hit the plate.. was a rage so it bounced back and was out of her within ten yards of running.. she made it about another 30 and died. but maybe its just my eyes.. taking in the angle of the shot and running it through i could see her react well before the arrow hit her. did she get out of the way in time well no lol but she did react before the arrow hit her
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/07/15 04:06 AM
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 05:02 AM
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Nav, I also think she did react some before impact and that was with her eating corn not on alert. That is why I tell people if a deer is acting nervous wait for another shot. Like I have stated earlier in this thread know one got out of the way of a bolt from a 330fps crossbow at 40 yards. Have run the bolts from that crossbow over the crony and it does shoot the advertised 330fps. The mistake I made was shooting at a deer that was alert. Was the first time I had got to bow hunt in over 3 years and made the mistake.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 05:10 AM
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Yeah, after doing some math and reviewing the video posted above and thinking it through, if a deer can duck a 300fps arrow at 25-30 yards, a deer should be able to duck a 200 yard gun shot. We never hear rifle shooters talk about deer ducking their shots, so I am becoming more convinced a ducked shot is either a well Placed shot the deer gets hit by, or a poorly shot arrow due to deer fever (can not blame anyone there as I get the shakes when I even see deer). In the video above it appears the shot was well placed but it just got unlucky poor penetration.
Now a deer ducking a 70-100 yard arrow shot is a different ballgame. But I don't hear about those kind of shots except on tv Glad you are convinced but I am far from convinced. Have watched it happen with arrows stuck in things I could not see for the deer's vitals before the shot. Sure I can miss and have and probably will again but those 2 shots were true and one with an arrow that had been shot across the crony at 330fps. As to using a rifle as an analogy, go back and rethink that one. Even a 30-30 150gr flat point is super sonic past 300 yards. Bullet arrives before the sound of the shot.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/07/15 01:09 PM
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I am not trying to press the issue any more than just look at the doe position on the shot right as the arrow hits her, the fourth picture I posted and look at the doe position in the shots above that...the doe did not move before the shot and maybe an inch lower with the arrow already in her chest. Use the corn line and her belly as a guide, it shows the doe barely moved at all, and that was after the arrow was sticking in her, not before. The third picture is with the arrow almost hitting her (it is a smudge in the grass right above her body, very difficult to see but when going frame by frame it is pretty obvious where the arrow is in that picture), and she hasn't moved a bit from the first pre-shot picture.
kmon, I get you point about the gun shot, and I will concede that to you, didn't think about that, was just thinking speed and timing.
And I am not trying to say a deer can't duck an arrow, especially on alert. But this deer did not duck the arrow. She reacts only after the arrow is stuck in her.
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/07/15 01:34 PM
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your missing about two frames before the arrow hits her... just about as soon as the arrow comes into the screen her body shifts and its very easy to spot if your playing it frame by frame fast.
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 01:40 PM
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Nav, I included pictures of before the shot a second before which would be about 4-5 frames (first pic), arrow clearly seen in the frame by the trail cam on the tree (second pic) and the arrow right before it hits her, the arrow is just above her back as a smudge in the grass (third pic)....all three of those pics show the deer has not moved one inch.
Not sure what I am missing there.
I agree the deer ducks about an inch or two after the shot hits her in the chest (fourth shot, and you can see how low the deer ducks based on the dark spot on the ground right above the corn line under her belly, before the shot it is a couple inches below her belly but after the arrow is in her chest she ducks down to where the dark spot is just at her belly)
And she clearly ducks once she starts running off (last pic).
But before the shot and all the way the arrow is flying she makes no move...pics show that in my sequence and you can clearly see the arrow flying in the second pic
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 01:52 PM
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I didn't see much drop in that doe. That arrow didn't penetrate much for a 300 fps bow either. Maybe the broadhead or hit a shoulder It went all the way to the opposite shoulder and and hit the plate.. was a rage so it bounced back and was out of her within ten yards of running.. she made it about another 30 and died. but maybe its just my eyes.. taking in the angle of the shot and running it through i could see her react well before the arrow hit her. did she get out of the way in time well no lol but she did react before the arrow hit her Love me some Rage broadheads when a clean shot is made. Not so much when they meet bone.
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 02:15 PM
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Yeah, after doing some math and reviewing the video posted above and thinking it through, if a deer can duck a 300fps arrow at 25-30 yards, a deer should be able to duck a 200 yard gun shot. We never hear rifle shooters talk about deer ducking their shots, so I am becoming more convinced a ducked shot is either a well Placed shot the deer gets hit by, or a poorly shot arrow due to deer fever (can not blame anyone there as I get the shakes when I even see deer). In the video above it appears the shot was well placed but it just got unlucky poor penetration.
Now a deer ducking a 70-100 yard arrow shot is a different ballgame. But I don't hear about those kind of shots except on tv All of the big name hi power rifles, 243, 223, 270, 7mm08, 3006, 300 win mag etc. are faster than the speed of sound which is 1100 something fps. The bullet hits them before the sound gets to their ear drums.
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Re: What is the threshold of speed....
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10/07/15 02:42 PM
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^^^ conceded that point in a previous post, wasn't thinking about speed of sound, just speed and timing. easy to become myopic when talking about stuff, miss the forest for the trees
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