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#5963409 - 10/06/15 07:10 AM What is the threshold of speed....
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That a deer can duck/ step away from an arrow at normal hunting ranges?

300 fps? 320 fps?
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#5963462 - 10/06/15 07:48 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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Do not think there is bow fast enough that it cannot happen. 330 is too slow, have seen that happen and that was with a bow that runs that across a chronograph not just IBO.
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#5963466 - 10/06/15 07:50 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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There has to be a POR though
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#5963470 - 10/06/15 07:53 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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True, but does any bow reach it?
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#5963483 - 10/06/15 08:02 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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1,126 feet per second. The speed of sound.

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#5963485 - 10/06/15 08:04 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
1,126 feet per second. The speed of sound.


I doubt a deer could duck an object moving 500 or more fps.
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#5963488 - 10/06/15 08:06 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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Ok, so you just answered your own question, 500 fps. I shot recurve and compound bows until my late 20's. Don't hunt with them though. I like fine rifles too much.

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#5963523 - 10/06/15 08:36 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: fouzman
1,126 feet per second. The speed of sound.


I doubt a deer could duck an object moving 500 or more fps.



At bow ranges you are probably good at 500fps, now what bow can do that?
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#5963535 - 10/06/15 08:40 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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Shouldt be too hard to figure out. Peoples reaction times have been measured seems like you could measure deer's reaction times as well. I agree it would be slower than the speed of sound. A lot of pistol bullets out there are slower than 1000 fps
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#5963584 - 10/06/15 09:07 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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Lots of variables here, but @ 300 fps I don't think deer can move COMPLETELY out of the way of impact. There is no doubt some deer are moving as the arrow hits them, but even a deer on high alert won't move enough for a miss assuming the shot placement (lung area) is good. I'll say this is true within 20 yards or so IMHO
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#5963590 - 10/06/15 09:11 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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My buddies talk mess about my loud Bowtech. I tell them what I think goes through the deer's mind as I release "oh crap you hear that Bowtech? Which direction is it coming from?" Too late as the arrow has just passed through him.
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#5963594 - 10/06/15 09:14 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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^^^^
20 yards I agree, 40 yards, have had clean miss which hit tree limb that was blocked from vision by the lung area.
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#5963633 - 10/06/15 09:37 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: titan2232]
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Originally Posted By: titan2232
My buddies talk mess about my loud Bowtech. I tell them what I think goes through the deer's mind as I release "oh crap you hear that Bowtech? Which direction is it coming from?" Too late as the arrow has just passed through him.

Not all Bowtechs are loud. I shoot the new 360 and had two Mathews guys on my lease commenting how they thought it was more quiet than their bows. I have seen most deer I have shot at attempt to duck the arrow. I have started concentrating on shooting lower in attempting to curb this problem. I don't think archery equipment will ever be fast enough to keep them from ducking an arrow but every little bit helps.

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#5963759 - 10/06/15 10:50 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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My Bowtech Assassin is shooting 300+ with heavy FMJ's and I've never had a whitetail come close to "ducking". My bow is def on the loud side though.
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#5963760 - 10/06/15 10:52 AM Re: What is the threshold of speed.... [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Ok, so you just answered your own question, 500 fps. I shot recurve and compound bows until my late 20's. Don't hunt with them though. I like fine rifles too much.



no but that's less than half the speed of sound and I don't think they could duck that.
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